Author Topic: Hello Again, Can I Get An Update? (Read 5841 times)

goldencomet · « **on:** January 25, 2012, 07:15:26 PM »

somehow it always happens that, whenever a new set comes out, I take a few (underexaggeration) months off of the game, I have yet to play a game with anyone since the new set came out, last game I ever played was with Disciples. If anyone has a few spare seconds on their hands, could that kind person please share a very speedy run down of the new set, along with flashy combos, etc? I would completely understand if I am asking too much, but I'd love to hear a few quick things before I dive right in to the new set.

Also I'm glad to be back. What an awesome community.

Thank you in advance,

~ Jonathan

SomeKittens · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:25:08 PM »

Angel Under the Oak -> Samuel -> Armorbearer -> Ishmiah -> Ashael -> King Hiram

Aaaaand that's all you need to know.

adotson85 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:28:57 PM »

Quote from: goldencomet on January 25, 2012, 07:15:26 PM

somehow it always happens that, whenever a new set comes out, I take a few (underexaggeration) months off of the game, I have yet to play a game with anyone since the new set came out, last game I ever played was with Disciples. If anyone has a few spare seconds on their hands, could that kind person please share a very speedy run down of the new set, along with flashy combos, etc? I would completely understand if I am asking too much, but I'd love to hear a few quick things before I dive right in to the new set.

Also I'm glad to be back. What an awesome community.

Thank you in advance,

~ Jonathan

I'm assuming you are referring to t1. Samuel and Genesis decks are everywhere now. You can find examples of each under t1 deck advice. Sam decks rely on speed, banding and cbn battle winners such as sam's edict, bravery of david, ahimelek etc. It is usaully paired with a small standalone defense. Genesis decks usually revolve around Joseph and utilizes the genesis egyptians on defense. This deck is especially good with an early creation of the world. Isiah is also fairly popular and I have seen a few Gates of Samaria decks.

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:32:59 PM »

Babs are a pretty tough defense. Green/Teal is a great offense too though it doesnt seem as popular on the boards as Samuel & Genesis. I guess because it's not as fast.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:35:35 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on January 25, 2012, 07:32:59 PM

Babs are a pretty tough defense. Green/Teal is a great offense too though it doesnt seem as popular on the boards as Samuel & Genesis.

That's because it's not as good as Sam. Genesis really isn't that great, it just gets a lot of publicity. Green/Teal seems like it has potential, but it just can't compete.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:38:35 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 25, 2012, 07:35:35 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on January 25, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Babs are a pretty tough defense. Green/Teal is a great offense too though it doesnt seem as popular on the boards as Samuel & Genesis.
That's because it's not as good as Sam. Genesis really isn't that great, it just gets a lot of publicity. Green/Teal seems like it has potential, but it just can't compete.

I disagree. A few top players that I've talked to agree with me that green/teal can be the best if someone can construct it properly. Genesis is an extremely solid offense, and can quite easily be considered "that great," and has, quite frankly, earned the publicity it's gotten. In the meantime, Gardensciples is the best offense right now in my opinion, and a lot of people agree.

Red Wing · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:39:50 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 25, 2012, 07:35:35 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on January 25, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Babs are a pretty tough defense. Green/Teal is a great offense too though it doesnt seem as popular on the boards as Samuel & Genesis.
That's because it's not as good as Sam. Genesis really isn't that great, it just gets a lot of publicity. Green/Teal seems like it has potential, but it just can't compete.

My Samuel deck has been beaten by a Teal/Green a couple times, but yeah Sam has more speed & CBNs.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:44:41 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on January 25, 2012, 07:39:50 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 25, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on January 25, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Babs are a pretty tough defense. Green/Teal is a great offense too though it doesnt seem as popular on the boards as Samuel & Genesis.
That's because it's not as good as Sam. Genesis really isn't that great, it just gets a lot of publicity. Green/Teal seems like it has potential, but it just can't compete.
My Samuel deck has been beaten by a Teal/Green a couple times, but yeah Sam has more speed & CBNs.

Sam doesn't have more speed for sure. Teal/Green gets Hur + Gifts and three feasts (all of which are recurrable). Say what you will about the rest of the offense, but it's definitely the fastest if you play with an emphasis on speed.

Master KChief · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:59:36 PM »

Hur is a one-trick pony that is killed easily. The feasts only become abuseable with Joiada, which, like Hur, is killed easily unless you sacrifice rescue attempts (not the definition of speed). Sam and friends actually have the raw power to back everything up.

CJSports · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2012, 08:42:23 PM »

I've been working on a green/teal and if people are going offense heavy I think they are going the completely wrong direction with it.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2012, 08:49:41 PM »

Since when does Teal/Green not include Samuel?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:10:42 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 25, 2012, 07:59:36 PM

Hur is a one-trick pony that is killed easily. The feasts only become abuseable with Joiada, which, like Hur, is killed easily unless you sacrifice rescue attempts (not the definition of speed). Sam and friends actually have the raw power to back everything up.

An early Gifts rescue with Hur wins games. If you get it once, you're given a great edge, even in the middle of the game. If you get it twice, again, even in the middle of the game, you're going to be hard-pressed to lose. Any prophets deck that doesn't use Hur is, quite simply, not playing Prophets to their full potential. Virtually any hero aside from Joseph is easily killed, aside from those heroes that are gotten back with the Judges Angels (of which Moses and Sam are the only noteworthy ones). "Easily killed" applies to everything speed that Sam decks have. As I said, say what you will about teal/green otherwise, but if you play it with an emphasis on speed, it is definitely faster. Of course, if you play for speed and nothing else, Disciples are the fastest offense, period.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:51:42 PM »

Teal/green has two main ways to add hand advantage. Take away a piece, the deck is slowed down considerably. Sam has multiple ways of adding hand advantage, some of which are very hard to stop or keep dead. Sam decks keep the constant pressure of plussing unlike teal/green, and have the multitude of Cbn battle winners to back it up. If you're banking on the early top deck of hur/gifts to get you a win, you're probably playing the wrong game.

goldencomet · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:21:31 PM »

Thank you everybody.

So, overall, Disciples + TGT is still useable, or has it been completely left to collect dust?

lp670sv · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:24:30 PM »

Quote from: goldencomet on January 25, 2012, 11:21:31 PM

Thank you everybody.

So, overall, Disciples + TGT is still useable, or has it been completely left to collect dust?

still the top.

goldencomet · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:27:37 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 25, 2012, 11:24:30 PM

Quote from: goldencomet on January 25, 2012, 11:21:31 PM
Thank you everybody.

So, overall, Disciples + TGT is still useable, or has it been completely left to collect dust?

still the top.

that's wonderful to hear. are there any supplemental cards from the new set?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:30:27 PM »

Not really. One of the most successful Gardenciples decks I have seen uses not a single new card.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2012, 12:41:44 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 25, 2012, 11:30:27 PM

Not really. One of the most successful Gardenciples decks I have seen uses not a single new card.

Whose is that? Regardless, I agree; NT offenses didn't really receive any help this year, though rumors abound about Peter and Andrew being in the upcoming set.

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:28:31 AM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on January 26, 2012, 12:41:44 AM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 25, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
Not really. One of the most successful Gardenciples decks I have seen uses not a single new card.

Whose is that? Regardless, I agree; NT offenses didn't really receive any help this year, though rumors abound about Peter and Andrew being in the upcoming set.

That's just what we need. Make the best set better. Why don't they try to improve some of the weaker themes like Syrians or deacons?

Arrthoa · « **Reply #19 on:** January 26, 2012, 08:45:18 AM »

probably because not many play deacons or syrians

SomeKittens · « **Reply #20 on:** January 26, 2012, 09:39:37 AM »

Quote from: Arrthoa on January 26, 2012, 08:45:18 AM

probably because not many play deacons or syrians

And no one played Samuel or mono Red last year. The reason they *might* be reprinting Peter/Andrew is that we're getting new starter decks next year. That's not much of an opportunity to boost themes.

CJSports · « **Reply #21 on:** January 26, 2012, 12:30:16 PM »

Disciples 2nd tier.
TGT 1st Tier.

lp670sv · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2012, 12:34:42 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on January 26, 2012, 12:30:16 PM

Disciples 2nd tier.
TGT 1st Tier.

Gardenciples OH GOOD LORD tier.

CJSports · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:07:01 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 26, 2012, 12:34:42 PM

Quote from: CJSports on January 26, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
Disciples 2nd tier.
TGT 1st Tier.

Gardenciples OH GOOD LORD tier.

It depends. If you running more heavily on TGT with a splash of Disciples then yes. If you are running Disciples with some Garden Tomb. 2nd Tier.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:32:33 PM »

Heck, a well-built mono silver deck piloted by Gabe could trounce a badly-built Sam deck piloted by a n00b. We're looking at these decks built and played to maximum potential.

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