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The picture for the site and the Forbidden fruit don't show up for me. Is that a problem on my end?

The picture for the site and the Forbidden fruit don't show up for me. Is that a problem on my end?

They show up for me on mobile. I hadn’t viewed them on this device until a few moments ago so they shouldn’t be cached. I assume you’v tried to reload the page? If that doesn’t work maybe clear your cache and reload again.

So excited about so many things, but there is one big problem I have.

The tree.

Take? Take?

Take already means something in Redemption, and it's not searching a card location for a card and adding it to your hand, which I'm sure this is trying to say.
Search deck/discard pile/Reserve is very clear, has been clear for 23 years, and does not need to be replaced by a keyword that already means something else. That is unnecessarily confusing, and I vehemently boycott it.
Stick to search. Let Take mean gaining control of a card. Both Take and Search have meant the same things for the life of the game, and they're both quite clear. PLEASE don't change it, I'm BEGGING YOU.

Take already means something in Redemption, and it's not searching a card location for a card and adding it to your hand

That's actually exactly what it means.

Unless otherwise specified, targets are moved to the hand of the player gaining control of the cards.

Stick to search.

In case you're worried, "taking" a card from deck, Reserve or discard pile is still a search ability.

Trust me, Fall of Man is very organized, but it uses a different method than recent sets. It should make sense once enough cards have been revealed.

I think I figured that out and edited my post right as you were replying. I will say I'm on board with the idea, though I was a fan of opening my binder and having all the themes next to each other, more or less.

-9 counts for 9 toss on an opponent? Asking about the gray curse that has -x/x if it were tossed

Not sure I've seen a -x toss option

It would be hilarious to me if it increased them instead.

1. Block with Foreign Spearman
2. Toss Birthing Pains to increase your opponent 9/9
3. Add another EC to battle (Unknown Nation, Gates of Hell, etc.)
4. Enjoy improved initiative
5.
6. Prophet

-9 counts for 9 toss on an opponent? Asking about the gray curse that has -x/x if it were tossed

Not sure I've seen a -x toss option

Seems like you'd toss yourself.

Now I'm curious what the Nats release will look like.

We are not planning to do a special release at Nationals this year, but you never know what other fun surprise we might come up with...

Sorry, I STILL really don't like this use of Take. It's horribly confusing and will frustrate the majority of current players and ALL new players.
Granted, the way the REG is worded does suggest that cards in a deck or discard pile can be "taken" as they are not currently under your control. That remains unintuitive, as you would think of your card piles as being in your control, if anyone's. Give and Take still share an entry in the REG, implying two perspectives of the same ability- simply, switching the control of a card from one player to another. That is very intuitive. Saying it's still a Take ability to get a card from your card pile because you're switching control of a card from... nothing... to yourself is absolutely bizarre.

I've played many, many trading card games- Magic, Pokémon, Harry Potter, My Little Pony, Force of Will. One of the few universal card abilities is searching a deck or a discard pile for a card. The wording is the same, up and down the board, because the wording is intuitive and clear. Calling Searching a Take ability, insofar as Redemption maintains the definition of Taking as gaining control, is wildly counter intuitive.

Redemption does NOT need to acquire even more set-rewriting errata or conflate more special abilities. It makes this game- by FAR the most complicated TCG- harder for fans to keep up with and impossible for newcomers to learn.

This change alone will have to make me postpone and rewrite my entire upcoming Welcome to Redemption: Special Abilities video. And what would I even say? "Take is the same thing as Give, just seen from a different perspective. They mean to gain or surrender control of a card respectively. Except Take now also means to search your deck, discard pile, or Reserve for a card. But only when it says to do it that way. Those Take abilities allow you to gain control of cards you, uh... already own by switching control from your, uh... deck, to you. Or something."

That's so so SO confusing, and, more importantly, unnecessary. We just don't need to replace a perfectly functional keyword with one we already have and use.

And as for all those cards that let you "take" a revealed card or whatever. You want to distinguish that from normal Take abilities?
Then just use the better word that every other card game already uses.
Add.
Just errata those usages of "take to hand" with "add to hand". Completely intuitive, no conflation, and now you have to errata a dozen cards instead of 40% of all special abilities in the game. Problem solved.

I'm really sorry to sound so annoyed and irritated, but stuff like this KILLS me.

Sorry, I STILL really don't like this use of Take. It's horribly confusing and will frustrate the majority of current players and ALL new players.
Granted, the way the REG is worded does suggest that cards in a deck or discard pile can be "taken" as they are not currently under your control. That remains unintuitive, as you would think of your card piles as being in your control, if anyone's. Give and Take still share an entry in the REG, implying two perspectives of the same ability- simply, switching the control of a card from one player to another. That is very intuitive. Saying it's still a Take ability to get a card from your card pile because you're switching control of a card from... nothing... to yourself is absolutely bizarre.

I've played many, many trading card games- Magic, Pokémon, Harry Potter, My Little Pony, Force of Will. One of the few universal card abilities is searching a deck or a discard pile for a card. The wording is the same, up and down the board, because the wording is intuitive and clear. Calling Searching a Take ability, insofar as Redemption maintains the definition of Taking as gaining control, is wildly counter intuitive.

Redemption does NOT need to acquire even more set-rewriting errata or conflate more special abilities. It makes this game- by FAR the most complicated TCG- harder for fans to keep up with and impossible for newcomers to learn.

This change alone will have to make me postpone and rewrite my entire upcoming Welcome to Redemption: Special Abilities video. And what would I even say? "Take is the same thing as Give, just seen from a different perspective. They mean to gain or surrender control of a card respectively. Except Take now also means to search your deck, discard pile, or Reserve for a card. But only when it says to do it that way. Those Take abilities allow you to gain control of cards you, uh... already own by switching control from your, uh... deck, to you. Or something."

That's so so SO confusing, and, more importantly, unnecessary. We just don't need to replace a perfectly functional keyword with one we already have and use.

And as for all those cards that let you "take" a revealed card or whatever. You want to distinguish that from normal Take abilities?
Then just use the better word that every other card game already uses.
Add.
Just errata those usages of "take to hand" with "add to hand". Completely intuitive, no conflation, and now you have to errata a dozen cards instead of 40% of all special abilities in the game. Problem solved.

I'm really sorry to sound so annoyed and irritated, but stuff like this KILLS me.

There's no errata since the function of old cards isn't changing. It's just like how abilities that used to say "remove from the game" now say "banish". If you want to compare this to other card games, Magic does this all the time and even did exactly the same thing to their remove from the game except they changed it to exile instead of banish.

As for take specifically, I don't see how you think this is confusing for new players. It actually can clear up some situations new players get wrong. New players don't know a search ability defaults to putting the target card in your hand and I've seen many players think searching for a character puts it straight into territory. It may be just me but "taking" a card makes it feel more intuitive to go to hand.

Regarding your complaint about control, you don't control cards in your deck, discard, or Reserve so it does make sense for take to give you control of the target cards. Just because the transfer of control isn't between two players doesn't mean take makes no sense.

In the end though, no matter what card game you are playing, there will be keywords players have to memorize. It's a necessary part of card games. Standardizing abilities into keywords absolutely does not make the game more complex and writing a rant about how Redemption is "by FAR the most complicated TCG" proves nothing but the fact that you have very little experience with other TCGs. The only paper card game I have enough knowledge to comment on regarding complexity is Magic and I can assure you Magic is so beyond Redemption in complexity that any comparison is laughable.

Oh awesome now you can toss your children to 24/15 :-) lol

Imho serpents curse needs cbn on the curse side

Can it start in play and be cbn protected? :-)