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I think that for there to truly be variety of which doms are chosen in a deck the cap would have to be lower (like 5).

At that point people would have to think about taking out NJ (if the new rule happens) or DoN (if their deck isn't scared of artifacts) or Mayhem (if they don't play speed) or Grapes or AotL or CM.  If the cap was at 5, then people would actually have to really put some THOUGHT into what doms went into their deck.

I think that for there to truly be variety of which doms are chosen in a deck the cap would have to be lower (like 5).

At that point people would have to think about taking out NJ (if the new rule happens) or DoN (if their deck isn't scared of artifacts) or Mayhem (if they don't play speed) or Grapes or AotL or CM.  If the cap was at 5, then people would actually have to really put some THOUGHT into what doms went into their deck.

Not really. If it went to 5, I'd use Christian Martyr, Son of God, New Jersualem, Destruction of Nehushtan, and Mayhem in every single deck ever.

There is a 7 page thread with 97 replies on the playtester side of the board about how to deal with Mayhem.  We are aware of the issue and are considering many options.

Some like intro-prep.  Some don't, since it is yet another rule for new players to have to learn, and changes the game more than players want, just for the sake of one card.

Some like this errata: "If it is not the first round, ..."  Some don't like that since you can't use it to "mulligan" and get a hero or EC, for example.

Some like this errata: "If it is your turn, or in a battle phase, ..."  Some don't like ANY errata at all and hope to avoid it if there is any possible way.

Some like this rule change: "dominants (or just evil dominants) cannot be played in the first round."  Some think that extra rules like this just alienate new players.

Some prefer to lessen the chances of FTM happening by printing new cards, such as a lost soul that protects hand (and probably deck, too, to make it more playable), and an EC that looks at opponent's hand and discards an evil dominant.  Others say that just lessening the chances of FTM happening is not enough.

Another option that some have considered is a Dominant cap identical to the Site cap.  That is, you can't have more dominants in your deck than Lost Soul cards (and Hopper doesn't count, just as it doesn't count for sites, or any deck building for that matter).

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask some opinions here.  We don't promise to go with the majority or anything, but we do like to hear what you like.  We want the game to be fun after all. 

By the way, extra points to Pol for the use of "LESS THAN 0%!!!!!"

In the interest of continuing to simplify the rules, I would prefer to do nothing at this point.

However, in general I do like the idea of a cap on dominants.  Even though it would be an added rule it certainly wouldn't add any complexity.

As for FTM, I posit that a special rule be used for state tournaments and above, as this is the only time it can become a real problem.  Use any of Bryon's ideas.  More than likely almost all of the players at these tournaments will be aware of a special rule, and for those that don't, the host can review it during host introductions.  For every tournament I have run I have provided an initial presentation to cover all the bases.  This would just be another agenda item for the top tournaments.

A dom cap just wouldn't feel right. why don't you people like the idea of no doms first round?

So if there is a local with 4 national champions do we get to introduce the special rule for the talent elite?

You don't make rules that are only rules are certain tournaments, on certain days of the week, or when you jumped around in a circle three times and scream MOAR MT DEW! really loud. Rules are Rules are Rules.

So if there is a local with 4 national champions do we get to introduce the special rule for the talent elite?

A local with 4 national champions...in the northwest...I have a better chance of finding Bigfoot. 

You don't make rules that are only rules are certain tournaments, on certain days of the week, or when you jumped around in a circle three times and scream MOAR MT DEW! really loud. Rules are Rules are Rules.

I agree.

Rules are Rules are Rules.

House Rules are House Rules are House Rules.

Top Tournament Rules are Top Tournament Rules are Top Tournament Rules.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that different tournaments should intentionally have different rules.

There are optional rules in the game and always have been. Its not rediculous at all. If everyone knows what the tourney rules are then so be it...

Quote from: theselfevident on September 14, 2011, 12:07:16 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 14, 2011, 11:59:58 AM

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that different tournaments should intentionally have different rules.

There are optional rules in the game and always have been. Its not rediculous at all. If everyone knows what the tourney rules are then so be it...

He didn't propose an optinoal rule. He proposed a different rule only for higher tournaments. Not an option for all tournaments.

Just saying the concept isn't new in regards to having different rules...

hillary clinton announced today there is less than zero percent chance she will play with glory of the lord.

Quote from: lp670sv on September 14, 2011, 10:19:30 PM

Just to sum up how unpopular Glory of the Lord is, until this thread I had no idea it even existed.

It was quite good, back in the day.  (that I didn't even play)

It was in fact one of the key cards in the 3rd place T1-2P Nationals 2004 deck (but that was before Blue Tassels and Priestly Crown were made non-temple artifacts and Lampstand made Glory irrelevant).

I got a FTM and LOST today at the TOP TABLE in the FINAL round of a tournament. I guess that might happen when your other 7 cards are SOG, 5 enhancements, and an EC though.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on September 17, 2011, 06:53:42 PM

I got a FTM and LOST today at the TOP TABLE in the FINAL round of a tournament. I guess that might happen when your other 7 cards are SOG, 5 enhancements, and an EC though.

You lost because you're a noob. You cost us the national TEAMS title, which would have given us 4 national champions at a local today. In Rochester. Chobo.

Rats stay rats yo.


Things I like:
Beating you constantly this year
Not losing to you this year
Placing above you in every category we've played this year, except teams. We tied in teams.
Buffalo
Having an undefeated record against you this year.

We had 6 people at our latest local.