Author Topic: First Impressions on the New Set (Read 26036 times)

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #50 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on August 21, 2011, 12:11:21 PM

You know Chronic, for being so apathetic all the time you certainly do complain alot

I don't complain -that- much, I just really dislike the direction the game is headed in.

Quote from: Jmbeers on August 21, 2011, 01:23:31 PM

Yes they could use help but are you really saying OT kings, (good and evil) didn't need help?
Profits didn't need help?
The Canaanites didn't need help?
Assyrian didn't need help?
Judges didn't need help?
And RED Didn't need help?

I nearly never came against these themes...
But in fairness maybe I just haven't played long enough.

Purple kings definitely needed help. I used them for two years before switching to Disciples and TGT this last tournament season, and while they didn't get too much help, it's nice to see them slightly more viable this set. I would argue that brown as a whole did not need as much help as they got. "Evil Kings of Israel" wasn't really much of a theme prior to this set, but it's ludicrous to think that they aren't overpowered. When standalone has been the best defense for the last few years, and standalone is about 1/3-1/2 brown anyways, I don't think they needed a huge push the way they got one.

Prophets didn't really need that much help; NT Prophets were used quite a bit this season. Right now I actually feel like Prophets are the best example of a theme that's strong without being overpowered, but that's just me. Canaanites are a brand new theme (having five characters across several sets doesn't count as a "theme" really) and they aren't even really that strong. Assyrians, while they looked awesome, probably aren't as good as people first thought when looking at Siege Army for the first time. Time will tell whether they'll have a solid presence in the meta this year or not.

Judges were the thing I was most looking forward to this set, and I'm sad to say I don't think they'll be as strong as I hoped they would be. The idea of using Judge's Seat with Iron Pan up to negate protection is attractive, but so far it just doesn't seem that viable. Time will tell though. Red definitely needed help, I won't even bother delving into that because it's obvious.

The point is, a lot of strategies and brigades have needed help for a long time, and I'm thrilled that they've finally gotten that help. However, some of those strategies got too much help. Let me repeat that: I'm not disappointed that some themes got help; I'm disappointed that they got too much help.

The M · « **Reply #51 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:39:38 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 21, 2011, 01:35:12 PM

It certainly wasn't site lock. I guess he had Land Dispute, but that doesn't count. I shouldn't have been locked, but I made a bad mistake.

There was no Pit of Dathan. Otherwise, I would have been fine, as it's not protected by CP.

Hmm... That's what I heard from all of the top table people, including you...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #52 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on August 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM

I would argue that brown as a whole did not need as much help as they got. "Evil Kings of Israel" wasn't really much of a theme prior to this set, but it's ludicrous to think that they aren't overpowered.

How are they overpowered? At all?
Brown was A Tier and has maintained being A Tier. They aren't Uber yet.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #53 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 21, 2011, 01:40:14 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on August 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
I would argue that brown as a whole did not need as much help as they got. "Evil Kings of Israel" wasn't really much of a theme prior to this set, but it's ludicrous to think that they aren't overpowered.
How are they overpowered? At all?
Brown was A Tier and has maintained being A Tier. They aren't Uber yet.

Decrease is disgusting. Omri is an auto-block now? Ewwww.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #54 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:44:43 PM »

Decrease is awesome. I'm glad it's viable. It's nowhere near OP though. Without Gates, it's awful, and if they get rid of Gates, well, you're screwed.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #55 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:53:11 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on August 21, 2011, 01:41:10 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 21, 2011, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on August 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
I would argue that brown as a whole did not need as much help as they got. "Evil Kings of Israel" wasn't really much of a theme prior to this set, but it's ludicrous to think that they aren't overpowered.
How are they overpowered? At all?
Brown was A Tier and has maintained being A Tier. They aren't Uber yet.

Decrease is disgusting. Omri is an auto-block now? Ewwww.

Only if you use little initiative heroes. You could also use I am Sustainer. Also, use a new fort negate enhancement to negate gates when they do that.

Its strong, but not impossible to kill. Just think outside the box.

Master KChief · « **Reply #56 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:59:12 PM »

people wont use i am sustainer because its not worth the card slot or art slot in a type 1 deck.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #57 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »

Well, my point is that people keep saying decrease is too powerful when a decent counter exists.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #58 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:04:21 PM »

With had this in ROA1 too...
TGT WITH HE IS RISEN! IS OP.

Covenant with Abraham, noobs.

Master KChief · « **Reply #59 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:05:21 PM »

cards like golgotha and i am sustainer are reasons i severely wish this game was best 2 of 3 and had sideboard.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #60 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:06:26 PM »

I love that counter so much.

Some more counters to decrease: every healing card.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #61 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:07:26 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 21, 2011, 02:05:21 PM

cards like golgotha and i am sustainer are reasons i severely wish this game was best 2 of 3 and had sideboard.

And top cut. We'd have to make T1 a 2 day category though.

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 21, 2011, 02:06:26 PM

Some more counters to decrease: every healing card.

BACKWARD SHADOWLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Jmbeers · « **Reply #62 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:09:04 PM »

Chronic, are you just hung up on Brown? Or is it more than that?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #63 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:11:22 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 21, 2011, 02:02:02 PM

Well, my point is that people keep saying decrease is too powerful when a decent counter exists.

They said the same about Thad.

I'd love to see how a top cut effects things.

Smokey · « **Reply #64 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 21, 2011, 02:02:02 PM

Well, my point is that people keep saying decrease is too powerful when a decent counter exists.

Gates of Samaria counters Gates of Samaria... Yay for one strat metagame, atleast it's on defense this time.
Ignoring the fact Gates buffs TGT... priceless AND ironic.

Master KChief · « **Reply #65 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:21:19 PM »

heh, yeah, some of us have figured that out already...most protect forts certainly dont protect from decrease.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #66 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:23:51 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 21, 2011, 02:21:19 PM

heh, yeah, some of us have figured that out already...most protect forts certainly dont protect from decrease.

Wut? At least 3 or 4 do.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #67 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:26:04 PM »

Which ones other than the Gates?

Master KChief · « **Reply #68 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:26:21 PM »

oh, haha yeah, discard...herp derp.

but wait, if an ec is protected from discard in territory, when it enters battle wont it immediately be discarded anyways?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #69 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:27:06 PM »

That doesn't help. As soon as you block, you're discarded. Maybe for the likes of ASA/Pan...

Master KChief · « **Reply #70 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:28:45 PM »

right. so my initial claim still stands, only the 2 gates will stop decrease, right?

but, i guess you could just have that */0 or less ec chillin in territory and not enter battle just to count an extra ec against tgt.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #71 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:29:50 PM »

Your ability still activates though, right? Or did they change that with the decrease change?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #72 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:30:46 PM »

Looks like it. Am I the only one who thinks that the Gates are how a protect fortress should have worked all along?

The ability *should* activate.

Master KChief · « **Reply #73 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:31:41 PM »

i also see no reason the ability would not activate.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #74 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:35:52 PM »

So then, I can still block with Proud Pharisee and play Balaam's Disobedience to win a battle. I'll think of something more nasty later.

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