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I was jaded going to Nationals this year after seeing Tower of Thebez and Iron Pan. "Negate pretty much everything" did not seem like a fun direction for the game to go in, and I dreaded to think what else might be lurking in those new tins. So far, it looks like neither of those cards is going to cause much of a stir. Canaanites appear to be too weak to be really viable in T1 (I have no idea about T2) this year, and Iron Pan seems to be a solid - not overpowered - addition to Babylonians. However, I'm starting to think that my initial fears regarding other elements of the set have been founded. For the first time since I started playing (3 years ago), red is truly overpowered. I don't feel that much elaboration is needed here - just take a look at what they've gotten. Similar feelings on what brown has received. With the new ruling on the way ability reduction works, using brown to do exactly that has become quite overpowered. Heck, even without that new ruling, territory destruction with brown is going to cause a huge ripple this year. Now admittedly, we're only a couple weeks into experience with the new set, but I think it's undeniable that red and brown (along with Genesis - both good and evil) has seen a huge boost. I'm sure my opinions on various things will change in the coming weeks and months, but right now that's my first impression. Anyone agree? Disagree?

I got really excited about the new set.

Brown can finally use the decrease theme it has had for a long time.

Red finally has a character that can remove a character, which it has needed for a while.

I love what Canaanites are doing, plus they pair well with Brown.

My biggest fear is the Assyrian Siege Army since it destroys fortresses and such and it can't be negated (which is why I'm tripling up on all my important fortresses or finding a way to protect them).  However I really haven't gotten used to the set yet so I'm not sure.

Wait the new set changes how the game is going to be played? NO WAY!...

Come on guys, what did you want, cards that make disciples and TGT more awesome? The fact is that TGT and Disciples were the most powerful themes, so the next set boosted other themes, and I'd be willing to bet that next year the same thing will happen. This isn't MTG where they release a new 600 card set every year and you play with just those cards. These are expansions, not rewrites.

I don't think Tower of Thebez is that impressive (except as a protect fort) it stops your own heroes, I see the best thing Canaanites have is Stone of Thebez which is CBN on both Jezebel and Woman at Thebez.

Stone of Thebez is cool, but only in T2 when I can x4 it. ToT is impressive because I can just use CBN heros or heros that don't need abilities but you didn't know I was playing ToT so you might have random heroes that can be negated.

The reason they pair with Brown is mostly because Jezebel + Ahab is awesome and you might as well run some Stone of Thebez.

I wouldn't want to run that just for Stone help when I can just negate heros instead.

I honestly really like the new set. I think they creat strengths for brigades and themes that are largely unused.

I think they make a nice rock paper scissors affect too, for example...
(crimson beats purple: purple beats brown: brown beats green: and so on)

I personally just played a tournament in new york with the new OT purple and placed in two events. Befor these cards were added who could have everr gone very far with OT purple???

lol your dreaming if you think brown beats green

It does?

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 20, 2011, 08:26:04 PM

I agree with the general assesment that the power creep is absurd.

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on August 20, 2011, 08:56:39 PM

And I also agree that the power creep in redemption has gone way past "creep"

I'm gonna go ahead and make a prediction here a year ahead of time.  Today people are complaining about "power creep".  Next year they are going to be complaining about lack of "power creep".  Complaining is inevitable

Who would complain about lack of power creep? That doesn't even make sense. Why would I complain that the next set is not obviously the most powerful set Redemption has ever made? I want a balanced game.

You say that it's the biggest power creeps bit it's one of the smallest expansions?

You say that it's the biggest power creeps bit it's one of the smallest expansions?

Do you understand the concept of power creep?

Power creep is the gradual unbalancing of a game due to successive releases of new content.[1] The phenomenon may be caused by a number of different factors and, in extreme cases, can be damaging to the longevity of the game in which it takes place.

As new expansions or updates are released, new game mechanics or effects are introduced, making it increasingly difficult for older content to remain in balance without changes. Usually, this means new content releases grow successively more powerful while older content becomes relatively underpowered.

Per da Wiki

There's some crazy cards in only six tins.  Ahimelek is OP, and there's tons of other cards that take mid-tier themes and make them bananas.

There's quite a few good ways around Ahimelek... he's not all that OP. 

Demons have 2 of them, and a 3rd works in every deck. Gates of Samaria also says hi, as he's quite easy to snipe.

It was pretty tough keeping the new version of Bravery of David and Jezebel at the same power level as their original versions. But I think they're fairly balanced and players will have a tough time choosing which version to use in their deck this year.

While I appreciated the light hearted semi-troll and it did make me smile, you probably know that's not what we mean

I didn't play when those got released so I can't comment.

*cough*setrotation*cough*

As long as Babylon the Great is always OK'd, I wouldn't complain much.