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First:

That wasn't even remotely what was said.

Second:

That's not the argument you presented in your deleted post, which was just a cheap potshot, which is why it was deleted.

Third:

You were sent a pm explaining why said comment was deleted, but if you want to make things public I can roll with that too.

Fourth:

Not sure why you feel the need to keep bringing JD into things, since it's barely tangentially related to the topic at hand.

Fifth:

Roy was copied on said PM and I'll let him handle things from here

When the integrity of a game has been compromised, the first priority should be to make things right and fair for all involved without further compromising the integrity. In a multi-player game, which is the situation you described, removing a player could give one of the opponents an unfair advantage, which is why I gave that answer. Given a different situation, I might believe it would be warranted to immediately disqualify the player. The point is that the rulebook and tournament guide cannot possibly cover every single nuance of a game therefore the judge(s) may give warnings or disqualify at their discretion.

Cheating is always wrong, but if the impact is minimal then I believe a warning is sufficient and preferable to completely disrupting the game.

You didn't quote the entire relevant section of the tournament guide.

Any violation of rules deemed deliberate (such as taking to much time during a turn, or intentionally losing a game) can result in a warning or a forfeiture of a game.

Any player found deliberately cheating will be eliminated immediately from the tournament.
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A player repeatedly found cheating at a
Redemption tournament may be banned from attending future sanctioned
tournaments at the discretion of Cactus Game Design Inc.
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All questioned concerning deliberate cheating shall be handled according to John 7:51.

The tournament guide outlines two types of situations: rule violations and cheating.

IMO, the situation you described falls under a rules violation and per the tournament guide a judge would have the discretion to give a warning. If you disagree with that, that's fine, but it's a matter of opinion.

If a player did something like taking a card from their Reserve and adding it to their hand without using an ability, that would be a clear example of cheating.

I should have clarified that while I agreed it was wrong, I believed it fell under the first category.

i mean honestly it's unfortunate how easy it is to "cheat" in redemption(mostly due to not even actually knowing the rules).. which is probably in many cases not intentional cheating at all.. i've personally witnessed and experienced this myself simply by not knowing the extremely complex rules! part of which does make redemption unique and interesting.. two sided coin.

a warning should be presented first in all cases. whoever is playing in a tournament isn't there for no reason and obviously knows someone good.

the relationship is more important than the game. there is no sense in burning a bridge because you want to rule someone. that's why i took what happened at the last nationals so personally.. i was ruled to be cheating without warning from shuffling some way that i don't even know and still haven't been explained what that was about.

i sold my cards because it's too easy to make simple mistakes in this game and want to see an app. the app will eliminate all forms of cheating period. i play on lackey because there is a log so you can't even cheat. ps i would still like to see the video from nationals with an explanation as to what was considered cheating in the way i have always shuffled.. but i hope i don't get banned again for asking  -please save reason for ban and post thanks