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Quote from: crustpope on May 22, 2009, 09:54:02 AM

My opponents have used this against me all the time.  You may have done this against me before.  I know Soul Seeker has.  I play babylonian Banquet hall or DoU to discard all LS and then they play HT to win a LS after they are all gone.  Or I die by the numbers then play my Sog/NJ on a shuffler to protect the rescue and they play HT to pull out the hopper to rescue it.

With the evil discards, the battle does not immediately end just because a character is (instantly) discarded.  After a discard, you can play Unknown Nation or Madness to bring another EC in and continue your block.  There is a lot of breathing room at the tail end of a battle to utilize specials on Arts and Dominants.

The technical order of resolution for your numbers example, is that while your EC is in battle but still losing, you rescue your LS to take them off the table, the opponent plays his HT, and you are still in a losing situation.  The important thing to remember about being at a numerical disadvantage, is that numbers (generally) determine initiative, they do not instantly discard a character.  A character down in numbers does not die until the battle is completely over and you are doing cleanup.

Treat SoG and Harvest Time the same way you treat CM or AotL.  98% of the time, you're basically throwing them out at the end of a battle to alter the outcome before you close the door.  But for the 2% of the time when the order matters, it is important to remember that all of these cards are played during - not after - the battle phase has ended.  Number-dead guys are discarded after - not during - the battle.  You (technically) cannot declare the battle over and then Bury the LS, the proper order is that you bury, then your guy dies.  Similarly, the opponent cannot play Harvest Time and tell you that it's too late to respond because you already let your guy die.  HT must be played during the battle phase for this scenario, so your EC is still technically in-battle-and-losing, and you have an opportunity to respond, with Burial or DoU or whatever.

The battle is completely over when you are losing (not mutual) and you choose not to play anything. Even if that weren't the case, either you have a LS and HT doesn't work, or your EC is Discarded during resolution, triggering Hormah, and it's too late to HT.

First question is if i go for a battle attempt and win then lay harvest time i can go for a rescue attempt after?
second if  my opponent goes for a ra and lays aotl i die then lay chriasten m.  does it count as a succesfull block, i no playing cm is a succssesful block but is it if he angel of the lords me first??

In all seriousness, no one should ever loose a battle challenge on defense anyway because a smart person would make sure that the B/C is going to end WAY in thier favor, if not he/she should decline it so in reality this is all complete conjecture because I dont know any respectable person who would accept a battle challenge and then not drop a CBN battle winner to totally Pwn the hero.