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I think this should thread should be deleted IMO. It has turned into a shootout, and is def off the original topic. If a Mod could remove this I would sincerely appreciate it.
The game doesn't need a reboot, and fixing Dom's =/= stopping speed. I'd rather see the rules cleaned up than anything at this point.
Quote from: lp670sv on April 06, 2014, 07:51:48 PMThe game doesn't need a reboot, and fixing Dom's =/= stopping speed. I'd rather see the rules cleaned up than anything at this point.The game doesn't necessarily need a reboot, but it would be an easy fix for a ton of the issues that plague it.
Quote from: Drrek on April 06, 2014, 07:54:56 PMQuote from: lp670sv on April 06, 2014, 07:51:48 PMThe game doesn't need a reboot, and fixing Dom's =/= stopping speed. I'd rather see the rules cleaned up than anything at this point.The game doesn't necessarily need a reboot, but it would be an easy fix for a ton of the issues that plague it.It would also alienate a large portion of the player base, something an already hurting game probably can't afford.
The dominant rules tend to manifest their problems most often with Mayhem, but they are not exclusive to Mayhem by any means.
This forum has less than 100 active members. Seeing its opinions as the opinions of the entire redemption community, or most of it, is short cited. When people start showing up to Nats and find out the decks theyve been building and spending money on are illegal in the main event they aren't going to care as much that they can compete in a side shot event.
Quote from: Korunks on April 06, 2014, 08:36:58 AMAnd as PA/MD group member the trend of players letting competitive spirits overrule fellowship and courtesy is one of the things that is quickly souring me on this game. A competitive spirit is slightly selfish in nature and we need start placing an emphasis on to tempering it with Christian fellowship and courtesy for the health of the game and the region.Can you provide one tangible example of this? Literally one?
And as PA/MD group member the trend of players letting competitive spirits overrule fellowship and courtesy is one of the things that is quickly souring me on this game. A competitive spirit is slightly selfish in nature and we need start placing an emphasis on to tempering it with Christian fellowship and courtesy for the health of the game and the region.
Prior to yesterday's event I had intentionally played subpar decks at the previous 2 tournaments. Neither of the decks were speed and neither of them was designed around stopping my opponent from playing cards. Neither of those decks prevented my opponent from having a hand. This was to help provide opportunity for other people to win and to have games that included real battles. What would you like me to do to continue to encourage fun and fellowship? I attend as many tournaments your way and usually bring Charles to add people to the pool and support you as a host. I havnt seen you at a tournament in pa since states 2012.
Not to be rude but the only person I've seen get really upset at tournament is you. I find it a little condescending to bash your play group while you don't support half of it. I think Jesus said something about this, it had to do with a spec and a plank. I will give you this you have personally apologized to people after difficult situations and that is admirable. That doesn't excuse the behavior though.
Personally I'm proud of our play area. Everyone is getting better and becoming stronger players and I have not seen a decrease in fun or fellowship; rather the opposite is it true. People have Been interested in helping one another, and supporting one another as we have tried to rival the great MN play groups. (This is a fun way not a over bearing competitive way, just clarifying) I'm proud of that.
Quote from: Korunks on April 06, 2014, 09:07:20 AMEveryone should play their best, but I believe graciousness should overrule winning a game. If my taking an action in my best interest knowing it will infuriate my opponent and cause them to have anger, I should consider being gracious.I completely disagree with you that 'letting someone win' (which is what you are suggesting if you say not to take the most competitive action just because someone might be upset) should be a part of this game, or that not doing so is 'not Christian'. We are playing a game, and we are playing to win. I will not cheat. I will not lie. I do not even intentionally deceive (like has been talked about in other threads). But I will make the plays that give me the best chance to win, and I will capitalize on errors or good luck. That's the point of playing the game. Afterwards, I will laugh and fellowship and be gracious, win or lose (been working on the second part, and have been getting better), but that does not mean I won't try to win. Saying I shouldn't try to win at a tournament is nonsensical to me.On a side note, I am moving this out of Ruling Questions. There isn't really a rule or ruling being discussed here, more of a 'how this is being currently played' discussion. Also, since I am in the thick of this one, I shouldn't be the moderator that determines if anything is amiss here.
Everyone should play their best, but I believe graciousness should overrule winning a game. If my taking an action in my best interest knowing it will infuriate my opponent and cause them to have anger, I should consider being gracious.
As an aside I most definitely would have Pm'd my concerns to all necessary parties if the stage had been set in a private situation. However, in this situation the stage was set publicly and I felt the need to defend a group of players that was being misrepresented by an outlier opinion. I didn't feel it was appropriate to place an over arching stereotype on this or any group of players.
Shawn, are you arguing that I should intentionally lose in order to spare people's feelings? This is not a sarcastic question.
I would estimate that 90-99% of the issues I encounter with dominants are related to Mayhem or Vain Philosophy. I'm willing to bet that most players could estimate similar numbers. Solving the problem with those will more or less solve the problem entirely. I'm willing to deal with issues that matter in 1% of games.
In that situation I would expect the player to adapt and play FA on their turn. Which, really, if your opponent has 3 LSs rescued and you have falling away in hand you should have already played in. SOG/NJ says hi. But the point of the rule change would be to eliminate slapjack situations. Twoliner-Burial vs SOG/NJ being the primary focus outside of Mayhem. There are going to be situation in which the rule change would give someone a slight advantage vs how the rule is now, but there would be no debate as to rather a card was played correctly or who has the right to play a dominant or anything like that which is what needs to be eliminated.
Quote from: lp670sv on April 07, 2014, 01:45:00 PMIn that situation I would expect the player to adapt and play FA on their turn. Which, really, if your opponent has 3 LSs rescued and you have falling away in hand you should have already played in. SOG/NJ says hi. But the point of the rule change would be to eliminate slapjack situations. Twoliner-Burial vs SOG/NJ being the primary focus outside of Mayhem. There are going to be situation in which the rule change would give someone a slight advantage vs how the rule is now, but there would be no debate as to rather a card was played correctly or who has the right to play a dominant or anything like that which is what needs to be eliminated.Making it so you can only play doms during battle or your turn would still leave at least one slapjack situation I can think of. Forced draw via something like TGW to soul gen for SoG/NJ when the person who's drawing has burial in hand.
Can you think of another way to solve the situation that Drrek described?