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The Scriptures are part of the church history. To present these as contradictory makes no sense.
This seems to be cherry-picking Scripture instead of regarding it as a cohesive whole.
You honestly cannot see any modern application for the teachings of Jesus? At all?
He did not say anything about trinitarian doctrine, FWIW. But since all of those aspects are recorded in Scripture, and nearly all of them directly in the gospel accounts of Jesus' life, I have a hard time imagining anyone believing in the saving power of Jesus while disbelieving in almost every significant detail of His life and ministry.
The scriptures are a record of church history, technically.
Since I don't view it as a cohesive whole, this would be an accurate assessment. John's works represent John's opinons, Paul's Paul's, etc.
The coherent application can be induced from the historically contingent; that'd be the modern application.
You're ignoring the hermeneutical process and assuming that everything is true or everything is false.
By universal do you mean 100% or the bulk of Christianity over a statistically insignificant minority? So now I'm repeating for the third time how one accepts the story of Jesus while carving out nearly every significant event in His life, and the overwhelming majority of His teachings. I don't know how you define "many", but I can't say I've met any significant number of people who dismiss any number of those concepts to a degree worth discussing. If Heaven and Hell don't exist, then probably half of Jesus' teachings go out the window. If there are no miracles, then most of His recorded actions go. If there's no Holy Spirit, Jesus' words of sending a helper were a lie and the Pentecost was a sham. What is left to believe in once all the evidence of His ministry is stripped out?
Cutthroat Caverns. I think I've said it all.
Jesus did many other miracles in the presence of His disciples that are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.John chapter something verse something
I'm not saying that I reject the validity of that, I'm just saying there are many Christians who do and they are still "Christians", whether you agree with their interpretation or not.
...and I haven't even been down south where the hardcore Baptists are.
YMT, I think you'll appreciate this. I grew up in a church of Free Will Baptists, and knew several others in southern Ohio, real down-home folk, real conservative. My childhood pastor once told an anecdote about how someone told him, "You're so narrow-minded, you probably think only Free Will Baptists are going to Heaven." "I'm even more narrow-minded than that," he quipped, "I don't even think a lot of Free Will Baptists are going to Heaven!"
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 07, 2009, 06:43:12 PMI'm not saying that I reject the validity of that, I'm just saying there are many Christians who do and they are still "Christians", whether you agree with their interpretation or not.Again, I don't know who is this "many" of whom you speak. Most of the people I know are way more conservative than I am when it comes to interpreting the Bible, and I haven't even been down south where the hardcore Baptists are.
It's a regional/community based thing.
and about Job, well, i do not believe in a litteral job so im on your side there