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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2015, 02:57:26 PM »
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I had not seen that in the artwork before, but now that it's been pointed out those are clearly impaled bodies on the "flag poles".
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2015, 02:59:13 PM »
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The first prominent pole to the left of the crusader is a body that is curled over, as if impaled in the midsection. You can see the person's hair and feet very clearly. There are no visible hands because the person's hands would have been tied behind their back, which is even worse, since it implies they were alive when they were impaled.

I was envisioning those ones as the person being impaled through the back, which looked really painful. But your analysis seems far more likely and plausible, and I see it that way now.
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2015, 03:01:27 PM »
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Either way, it's pretty brutal, and not really appropriate for this game.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2015, 03:03:40 PM »
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Perhaps it was just the artists being lazy, but the fact that the 2 different shapes are used identically in multiple different places seems to indicate to me that they're not actually people. No matter how hard you try, it would be nigh impossible to get 2 people impaled on spears in mirror images where even the hair and dangling feet (and awkwardly curved/broken forearm in the case of the one that appears 3 times) are identical.

I do admit it's a disturbing shape to use as basis for a flag, if that's what they are, though.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2015, 03:05:20 PM »
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Either way, it's pretty brutal, and not really appropriate for this game.

Neither is this. :(



Seriously though, I've requested that we at least crop in on the warrior.
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2015, 03:05:35 PM »
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Perhaps it was just the artists being lazy, but the fact that the 2 different shapes are used identically in multiple different places seems to indicate to me that they're not actually people. No matter how hard you try, it would be nigh impossible to get 2 people impaled on spears in mirror images where even the hair and dangling feet are identical.

I do admit it's a disturbing shape to use as basis for a flag, if that's what they are, though.

There is a lot of copy and paste within this artwork, including the weapons along the bottom of the image. Those are definitely people (you can see pretty clearly defined limbs).

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Gabe, I'm not even sure if that would cut it, you can see a hand reaching up from another one of the flag poles from behind his shoulder. I would suggest finding something different altogether.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2015, 03:06:52 PM »
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seriously though probably just don't show spoilers so you can do what you want without being persecuted****** persecuted church!! is that ironic? haha

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2015, 03:07:29 PM »
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Perhaps it was just the artists being lazy, ...

This is definitely true since most of the peripheral images are identical (or flipped). The artist was focusing his attention on the Crusader.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2015, 03:07:48 PM »
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what about the card beheaded? and all of the cards depicting severed heads?? i mean come on seriously people? the bible in itself is brutally graphic..

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2015, 03:09:21 PM »
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what about the card beheaded? and all of the cards depicting severed heads?? i mean come on seriously people? the bible in itself is brutally graphic..

The other offending cards were evil, though. This is a hero we are talking about.
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2015, 03:11:32 PM »
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what about the card beheaded? and all of the cards depicting severed heads?? i mean come on seriously people? the bible in itself is brutally graphic..

Those are depicting moments that are actually described in the bible, so that artwork makes sense in context.

A "Christian Warrior" wouldn't be marching with bodies impaled on spikes.


The other offending cards were evil, though. This is a hero we are talking about.

To be fair, there are some good enhancements depicting david holding Goliath's head.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2015, 03:12:21 PM »
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what about the strong angel? he is bludgeoning a guy and there is blood coming out? honestly if you have to answer to someone about what a card shows they probably don't have the incentive to play the game to begin with. i mean, i just went and saw jurassic world and there were 5 year olds in there watching people be torn limb from limb.. doesn't make it right but seriously we have pictures of bruce jenner being turned into a woman in the grocery store. parents have a lot more to answer for in terms of christian accountability than a picture on a redemption card

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2015, 03:14:38 PM »
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To be fair, there are some good enhancements depicting david holding Goliath's head.

Oh yes, I forgot about that one. And I'm not even going to talk about Bathsheba....  :o    ;)

honestly if you have to answer to someone about what a card shows they probably don't have the incentive to play the game to begin with. i mean, i just went and saw jurassic world and there were 5 year olds in there watching people be torn limb from limb.. doesn't make it right but seriously we have pictures of bruce jenner being turned into a woman in the grocery store. parents have a lot more to answer for in terms of christian accountability than a picture on a redemption card

LOL. I won't respond to this since I have no "incentive."  ;D
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2015, 03:16:26 PM »
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That isn't blood from the attack, that's his shield. See Michael for further context:


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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2015, 03:18:40 PM »
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seriously we have pictures of bruce jenner being turned into a woman in the grocery store.
Let's try to keep this thread from being moved to OD :)

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2015, 03:57:33 PM »
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Neither is this. :(


For what its worth that is the only card in the game I refuse to play and its because of the art.
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2015, 04:05:34 PM »
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For what its worth that is the only card in the game I refuse to play and its because of the art.

I had to remove Bathsheba and Whore of Babylon from boxes that my students had access to, because some 6th grade boys were hugging and kissing the cards.  :o
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2015, 05:52:15 PM »
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It's just jumbo shrimp on the barby back there. But seriously its not a body its a tattered flag. You don't impale a body on poles in two ways
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2015, 06:25:41 PM »
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@Gabe, I edited out the bodies so that no zooming in is required.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2015, 06:31:45 PM »
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It's just jumbo shrimp on the barby back there. But seriously its not a body its a tattered flag. You don't impale a body on poles in two ways

I think it's dangerous territory to assume you know the mindset of a person who would impale a body at all... unless...hmm...Perhaps I'll just keep my mouth shut, since you know where I live... :-X

In any case, while they may look like shrimp or flags or what-have-you to some, it's pretty obvious they look like bodies to others. Regardless of whether the dress is black and blue or white and good, people will see what they see, and if a conservative Christian parent sees impaled bodies on a card representing soldier for Christ, there may be issues.
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2015, 07:06:52 PM »
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Except its  blatantly obvious imo they're not. If its not obvious either way then the artwork isn't comparable to Bathsheba, whore if Babylon, Maid or whatever. Its of the coolest artwork In the game let's not ruin it by making a muddy background  ;)
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2015, 07:11:13 PM »
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You don't impale a body on poles in two ways

Historical artwork shows that this is not true. I'm sure that when Vlad the Impaler impaled over 40,000 Turks that there were more than two ways this was accomplished.

Except its blatantly obvious they're not.

 :scratch:  ... in spite of so many of us that have said otherwise?
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2015, 07:13:33 PM »
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I think he more meant that on two different poles, not that you wouldn't position them differently.

And again, I really don't see bodies, I see banners and flags, particularly on poles that narrow.  But I'm not going to advocate it if so many would see bodies on it every time they look at the card.

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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2015, 08:25:15 PM »
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Duck or rabbit? :P
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Re: Christian Soldier Art
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2015, 08:49:36 PM »
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I spun the image backwards and it said "Paul is dead."   :o
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