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Branching off from this thread about set rotation, and in conjunction with this thread containing an ongoing list of cards that we think need to be changed (more than wording updated) in a post-rotation Redemption world, let's make a community list of the cards pre-I/J that we think are good as-is (aside from needing updated wording) and should be kept in the game if/when set rotation happens starting with I/J. I'll reserve a few spaces below for sufficient room, but feel free to start making suggestions, everyone! 

Pre-I/J Sets List:

Original/Un-Lim & A/B

Prophets

Women

Warriors

C/D Starter

Apostles

Patriarchs

Kings

E/F Starters

Angel Wars

G/H Starters

Priests

Faith of Our Fathers

Rock of Ages

Thesaurus Ex Preteritus

Disciples

Patriarchs
Abraham's Servant to Ur
All Hope Lost
Ambush
Angelic Advice
Arrogance
Balaam's Disobedience (already a Legacy Rare)
Battle Cry
Begging for Grain
Blessings
Blue Tassels
Coercion
Covenant of Abraham
Covenant of Noah
Covenant of Palestine
Covenant of Salt
Covenant with Moses
Danites Attack
Death of Firstborn
Death of Unrighteous (already a Legacy Rare)
Deepening Lie
Disobedience
Dream
Flight of Spies
Isaac Deceived
Jacob's Dream
Jacob's Ladder
Joseph in Prison
Joseph's Brother's Scheme
Joseph's Silver Cup
Judah's Sin
Korah
Korah's Rebellion
Leper
Midianite Attack
Moses and Elders
Moses kills Egyptian
Passover
Pit
Prosperity
Providing Angel
Sarah's Jealousy
Stolen Idols
Stolen Blessing (SA one)
Storehouse
The gods of Egypt
Three Angels
Water Shaft

Kings
Adino
Ambush the City
Angel’s Sword
Archers of Kedar
Asherah Pole
Battle Prayer
Bearing Bad News
Besieging the City
Captain of the Host
Chariots of the Sun
Chemosh
Coat of Mail
Dart
David’s Harp
Devourer
Displeased Philistines
Disuading Speech
Egyptian Archer
Fallen Warrior
Hadad Arises
Israel Pays Tribute
Josiah’s Covenant
Kerith Ravine
King Ahaziah
King Ben-hadad I
King Jeroboam I
King Jehoram
King Jotham
King Nadab
King Omri
King Rezin
King Saul's Jealousy
King Zedekiah
Land Purchase
Lost Soul - Shuffler (Ezekiel 31:14)
Lost Soul - */4 or greater (II Chronicles 15:4)
Lost Soul - Hopper (II Chronicles 28:13) (already a Legacy Rare)
Lost Soul - Site Doubler (Psalm 1:4)
Michael (need a Daniel reference version)
Might of Angels
Moral Decline
Mustering for War
Nebuzaradan
Paying Tribute
Plunderers
Political Bribes
Provisions
Raider’s Camp
Shimei’s Malicious Curse
Siege
Sisera
Spy (already a Legacy Rare)
Sword against Sword
Sword of the Lord
Syrian Archer
Syrian Victory
The Long Day
The Rabshakeh
Troops Discharged
Two Thousand Horses
United Army
Victory
Visions of Iddo the Seer
Words of Encouragement
Worship of Milcom

Priests
Abiathar
Abihu
Agur
Altar of Ahaz
Altar of Burnt Offering
Altar of Incense
Amariah the High Priest
Angel in the Path
Army of the Lord
Asaph
Assyrian Camp
Azariah the High Priest
Blindness
Bronze Cymbals
Built on Sand
Burning Incense
Carcasses
Carried into Exile
Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas
Deafening Spirit
Demon behind the Idol
Desolate Gateways
Ethan
Evil Angel
Faith in Our High Priest
Fallen Angel
False Priests
First Fruits
Flee from Enemies
Forgotten History
Go Into Captivity
Grain Offering
Headquarters at Riblah
High Priest Annas
High Priest Caiaphas
High Priest’s Palace
Incurable
Jehoiada’s Strength
Job Overcomes
Jordan Interrupted
Joshua the High Priest
Judas Iscariot
King Merodach-baladan
King of Tyrus
Kingdoms of the World
Lost Soul - Wanderer (Ezekiel 34:6) (Already a Legacy Rare)
Lost Soul - Thorns (II Samuel 23:6)
Lost Soul - Color Guard (Jeremiah 13:10)
Lost Soul - Speed Bump (Matthew 19:23)
Madness
Mildewed House
Oppressed and Robbed
Passover & Unleavened Bread
Pentecost (Already a Legacy Rare)
Pharaoh’s Throne Room
Phinehas, son of Eli
Plagued with Diseases
Pride before Calamity
Pride in Position
Pride in the Flesh
Protection of Angels
Rain Becomes Dust
Sabbath Breaker (Already a Legacy Rare)
Scapegoat
Seizing Spirit
Table of Showbread
The Bronze Laver
The Sabbath
The Silver Trumpets
Unified Kingdom
Unknown Nation
Unsuccessful
Wonders Forgotten
Zeresh


Faith of Our Fathers

***Keep all abilities as-is (just update wording) except:

Assyrian Siege Army (OP)
Deborah’s Directive (OP)
Emperor Galba (toughness)
Expelling the Jews (should just be gray)
Filling Zerubbabel’s Temple (add Reserve access)
Hidden Treasures (OP)
Iron Pan (protect = immune now so it’s redundant)
Jacob (reprinted)
Joseph (reprinted, although I like this version too)
Philistine Armor Bearer (OP)
Rome (needs new ability)
Uzzah (too splashy chump block)


Rock of Ages

***Keep all abilities as-is (just update wording) except:

Ahimelek the Hittite (CBN removal)
Angel with the Secret Name (OP)
Bravery of David (CBN removal)
Eli the Priest (reprinted)
Jeiel (needs new ability)
Melchizedek (reprinted)
Musician’s Chambers (needs new ability)
Repentance and Restitution (CBN removal)
Romans Destroy Jerusalem (CBN removal)
Samuel (reprinted)
Samuel’s Edict (CBN removal)
Stone of Thebez (CBN removal)
The Angel Under the Oak (OP)
The Rabsaris Attacks (CBN removal)
The Throne of David (OP)
Valley of Salt (CBN removal)
Zechariah (needs new ability)

Authority of Christ is the only one. And Obedience of Noah, but that is already a LR. Next set

I think all of those should be updated with enhanced abilities (i.e. cards like Snare and Stocks should still be captures but have something else added). Repentance would be better off not being a "placed" card. Stillness has errata so it definitely needs to be reworked (or printed with its errata ability). Plague of Flies should be remade to be like the other plagues (white/gold/green) IMO.

I think all of those should be updated with enhanced abilities (i.e. cards like Snare and Stocks should still be captures but have something else added). Repentance would be better off not being a "placed" card. Stillness has errata so it definitely needs to be reworked (or printed with its errata ability). Plague of Flies should be remade to be like the other plagues (white/gold/green) IMO.

Thanks for explaining regarding each one - I think this is helpful for us moving forward. Given that new cards have ~3 special abilities (unless they have fewer that are very powerful), then cards such as Sound the Alarm/Snare/etc. that have 1 special ability probably would be better put in the "Fix a Card" thread.

As far as cards with an errata, I was assuming they would be put in this thread (update wording but keep current SA), so I'll add in Stillness to the list for UL.

Maybe we need a list of cards that are worth reprinting but completely overhauling from old sets although you could say that about any old underpowered card really.

True- the Fix a Card thread is for this purpose, but you bring up a good point. Many cards that previously had no special ability (or weren't playable) have been upgraded into a new version, but for those that haven't, perhaps it would indeed be useful to have a list of those as well. It's nice to be able to re-use the old art on a new playable card.

Not everything needs to be updated to modern power levels. Some cards are very playable with only one or two abilities. Women as Snares found her way into a lot of my reserves last year, and is my main nomination for Women's. Falling Away is debatable, though without it GoYS makes a lot less sense.

Isn't provisions in prophets? That should stick around IMO.

I went through the Women's list and came up with:

Women as Snares
Lot’s Wife
Temptation
Foolish Advice (already reprinted)
Jael
Midwives (already reprinted)
Scarlet Line
Idle Gossip
Treachery of Jezebel
Potiphar’s Wife

What do you guys think?

Keeping things moving, feel free to suggest Warriors cards next! 

  A vast majority of the older cards are not worth identically reprinting. Most if not all old cards are worth reprinting in some form.

So here are the cards that I still actually carry with me to tournaments:

Limited/Unlimited:

Authority of Christ
Herodias (Needs an ability)
Obedience of Noah (Already LR)
Repentance (See Guardian's post)
Stocks

Prophets:

Confusion (Reprinted)
Cup of Wrath
Dungeon of Malchiah
False Peace
Great Image
Hunger
Lies

Women:

Claudia (Reprinted)
Falling Away (Reprinted, so probably won't see this one)
Foolish Advice (Reprinted)
Gomer (Reprinted)
Idle Gossip
Jael
Jael's Nail
Job's Wife (Reprinted)
Lot's Wife (Already LR)
Midwives (Needs to be White)
Potiphar's Wife
Women as Snares

Warriors:

Armorbearer (Needs to be Red)
Benaiah (Reprinted)
Captain of the Host
Crown of Thorns
Devourer
Fallen Angel (Reprinted)
Gabriel (Reprinted, though I still like this version!)
Ira (Needs to be Red)
King of Tyrus (Reprinted)
Mask of Fear
Prince of this World (Reprinted)
The Seventh Trumpet
Simeon (Reprinted, though I would like to see a green/gold version)
The Strong Angel (Reprinted, but still like this version)
The Third Seal
Wrath of Satan


So I personally still see several cards from these sets that can be used.

Thanks for the input, guys. So we have for Warriors (taking out cards that have been reprinted or need to be changed):

Crown of Thorns
Devourer
Mask of Fear

I went through the set and didn't see any others worthy of making the list, imo. I'm assuming Dragon's Wrath (RoJ) is essentially a reprint of Wrath of Satan, although they have different art and a slightly different verse (same context though). Also, I'm assuming that all of the Trumpets will get reprinted at some point, so I left off the 7th as I'm sure it would be made to match the others.

So unless you guys have any other suggestions regarding the Warriors set, the C/D starters is next!