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Might only be 10 in this set, but we also have to think about future sets. The less restrictions we have in terms of layout, the easier it is to find free art that works for us.

how about the covenants??  Will they have still have the grail icon or will they have a different icon?? (for example instead of a grail . maybe a dove icon instead)

how about the covenants??  Will they have still have the grail icon or will they have a different icon?? (for example instead of a grail . maybe a dove icon instead)

There if no plan to change the Grail icon for Covenants.

#2 - From now forward dual affiliation cards that need the warrior, weapon or territory class icon will use it on all appropriate sides. As part of this change we have downsized the icons and justified them with the outside of the brigade box. As a result, all cards with those icons have been adjusted, not just the ones with icons on both sides.

Please take this opportunity to check out several more of the updated card images, but more importantly help us make sure that these late changes don't result in any errors being sent to the printer.

After skimming the changes I can say this:
1. I'm glad that you're listening to community feedback and think that's really something special and want to say "Thank you". I think I would still prefer the icons being centered but I can see it growing on me too. Dunno just throwing it out there. I feel like if centered they would be more in line with old one's.
2. I think it would be really sad if the Art of the wives of Ham, Shem & Japheths stays like it is now (after the icon resize). The original ones looks gorgeous. When I looked at them I was like "I would have married them too" :'D. Srsly the old one's look so good to me it would be disappointing if they would stay like they are in the revision. Sidenote: Other cards like Hamor and Moab have beautiful artwork too. Also it seems way more appropriate in the way the skin looks (darker than Europeans) which makes more sense in my mind.
3. When looking at The Guardian Cherub I felt like it would make more senses to have WC above TC but I looked it up and you've done it like this in the past so we should stick to that I guess. I wasn't sure if it has always been like this or if it was a mistake.
4. I was wondering if some identifiers are missing. One I found was Pentecost. It's missing the Feast identifier.
5. I noticed that I'm not used to the Curse icons being so big but I think I'll like it once I get used to it. It will help identifying it as a curse much more quickly I guess.
6. I noticed that "Animals Enter the Ark" was changed to "Two by Two". I think the title Two by Two should be saved for a card dealing with evangelism, casting out of demons or discipleship in general. At least that's the association I'm having with Two by Two. I also feel it makes more sense if taking into consideration which verse the card is quoting. Especially since the bible teaches that only the unclean animals were brought into the Ark "Two by Two" the clean ones came in in seven pairs of male and female. (Check out Gen 7:2)
7. I noticed how Lingering in Sodom has very little space for the card title after the split of the icon boxes which keeps growing unto me more and more.
8. To me it makes more sense to switch the numbers of Pillar of Salt since 3 "godly" people were left with -1 but that might be super nitpicky ^^'
9. I was just wondering in general about identifiers why a card get's the identifier "Moabite Giant" and not "Giant, Moabite" (or reversed). That seems to make more sense to me since I think it would allow the card to be targeted by more cards. Also with cards like "The Winged Leopard (RoA)": It states "Male Beast (Demon) Greek" shouldn't that be "Male, Beast, Demon, Greek"? Maybe even first Demon than Beast since Beast seems to be a subset of Demon? I was just wondering how you do the wording of the identifiers. Are Demons considered male generally or did it receive the male reference because of the animal/beast appearance?
10. I think it's beneficial that we won't have to have the words "Covenant of" or "Curse" in the titles anymore even though I would love cards like "Serpent's Curse" to retain their names.
11. I was wondering if "Deceit & Vengeance" should have GE/EE reversed in the current revision?
12. When looking through the DAC Split doc I was wondering if cards like Gib Treaty, Daughters Grief, Dancing Wives, Death of Family, Jehu's Sword reward different Strength and Toughness purposely or if that should be fixed. Daughters Grief for example has the same SA for each alignment but will reward 4 points fewer as a GE when compared to an EE. That didn't seem to be right except you try to push the values of certain brigades.

I hope that was helpful? Again such a great work on this set! Blessings

It's intentionally off centered to avoid covering artwork as much as possible.

See Gabe's updated first post regarding the snake icon. 

I'm sorry but the smaller size symbols, and more specifically the off-setting just does not look right.  I don't see why after all of the other cards using TC and WC symbol covering a very small part of the artwork is being changed to this with the new cards.  It is not consistent with the old symbols and looks like it was a printing error.

Side note, I'm glad the snake symbol is being kept.  I think that's best given consistency with the older curses and is much more recognizable as a curse, even with the icons being split. 

Please take this opportunity to check out several more of the updated card images, but more importantly help us make sure that these late changes don't result in any errors being sent to the printer.

Also from my side a big thank you again to all who invest their time, energy and prayers to push forward the new set and Redemption in general. Incredibly great work! The overall artwork is fantastic! I also really appreciate and enjoy the involvment of the community and the picking up of useful parts and statements.

I am glad that we'll keep the snake for the curses. For me it would be also fine to keep both symbolic icons combined in one as it is the case so far.

But now after the last changes for me the TC icons look far too small - even more compared to the warrior icons! This I'd propose to adjust to get them a little bigger.
Personally I'd like to keep the warrior and TC icons centered since this suits more to my preference.

Maybe one proposal in order to keep possible space problems from the identifier line as long as possible: Instead of writing "Good Enhancement has Unity...", which takes a lot of space, maybe either a symbol can be used (small bible icon) or a shortcut like GE in Lackey.

I am still trying to figure out why Deceit & Vengeance could ever be considered good from a theological standpoint.

Quote from: Psalm 101:7

He who practices deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who speaks falsehood shall not maintain his position before me.

Quote from: 1 Thessalonians 5:15

See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek after that which is good for one another and for all people.

Deceit = not good
Vengeance = can be good biblically (vengeance is mine says the lord, etc.)

Since Gabe reiterated his comment about how after getting used to it, the new icons and their placement looks great, then I should say again that I completely agree. Now the old way with them centered feels off to me.

So we complain until we get what we want (icons on both sides).  So because that doesn't look like we think it should it, we complain again.  If that changes, others won't like it so they will complain.  Eventually all the complaining will make sure that nothing changes because we are never grateful.  Pick your battles.  Do you want them on both sides and smaller?  Or, do you want them the the way they were.  Not everyone will get what they want, so pick one thing and stick to it.

You actually got two things with the Dual-Alignment being split.  So why not stop while you are ahead and they change everything back!

Any reason for Avenged to have territory class on the good side?  I mean you could pay the cost without getting the benefit in territory but that doesn't seem very useful. 

Quote from: MitchRobStew on April 23, 2018, 06:51:39 PM

Any reason for Avenged to have territory class on the good side?  I mean you could pay the cost without getting the benefit in territory but that doesn't seem very useful. 

Anti-Serpent tool.

It also gives you a way to remove a multi-brigade character if you have too many brigades. There are strategic uses. They just won’t be common. But we can remove the TC on the GE if people prefer.

Are all the swapped numbers purposeful on the updated enhancements? Also, I believe Two By Two was the only one I've seen so far that flipped the numbers on the GE side and kept the original for the EE side.