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It would make the game so much more balanced. Also, CBI might not be that big of an issue, as the only card I can think of that needs it sorely removed is Thad.

Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2012, 02:02:06 PM

I think that's a bit drastic, though it is a step in the right direction. Maybe remove conditional CBNs etc. Or simply remove it from characters.

What do you mean by conditional CBNs?

Like Sam's Edict or Bravery of David.  Not like Zeal.

I thought that's what you meant, which is why I'm confused why you would want to remove them. It makes CBN more balanced than ones without conditions, right?

I think the main problem is there are too many CBN cards. By eliminating the conditional ones (or non-conditional, now that I think of it), you're greatly reducing the number of them.

Which is why the other option I proposed was simply making the CBNs on characters vanish. Probably the best of the three options.

Quote from: cookie monster on November 26, 2012, 03:41:21 PM

...it would make cards that were good become lukewarm (not very good, not very bad)

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...not really balance the meta

I was astonished these two were actually side by side in the same sentence.

Now that you point that our, I should have worded that part better. What I meant by "not really balance the meta" is that some of the old cards would get a lot worse and the new cards would be a lot better because any new cards that would come out would be made with this rule.

I probably did not word that very well either. but at least this actually says what I wanted to say (at least I think it does).

I think the big problem with this change would be cards like Hur, which, in all reality, ought to be CBN.  And all those Magicians that are CBI because they have convoluted abilities.  And exchanges and searches like Perpetual Priesthood and AUTO.

I love this idea as far as CBN == CBP.  In fact I love it so much I have posted it on these boards at least twice before. 

I would say that the only CBI that should be done away with directly are those from the old-timey wording "Cannot be interrupted, prevented, or negated."

I think the big problem with this change would be cards like Hur, which, in all reality, ought to be CBN.  And all those Magicians that are CBI because they have convoluted abilities.  And exchanges and searches like Perpetual Priesthood and AUTO.

All of these can easily be handled by making a game rule that says all shuffle abilities are effectively CBN, just as is done with "look at" abilities today, and you could do the same for any SA that was significantly convoluted that it would be required. I do not understand why exchanges and searches would need to be CBN--most of them aren't currently.