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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Bryon on July 31, 2011, 05:26:13 AM
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By this time in 2 weeks, nationals will be over, and we will be enjoying the new cards.
To tide you over until then, and to give you Nationals Booster Draft players a chance to prepare strategies ahead of time, check out the Articles section for the latest spoilerific article.
If you find typos in the article, please post here so I can fix them. I'm finishing this at 2:23 in the AM, and I'm exhausted from getting over an ear infection, packing for a week-long trip (we leave tomorrow), preparing for my wife's birthday (also tomorrow), and running 8 miles with Kurt (I might be sore tomorrow).
Life is good, but I wish I had more hours to sleep. Anybody got some hours to sell?
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I see we have yet another shade of the green brigade, and this one is electric!
I really like the article as it pertains to the Biblical story. Cards that have a game effect similar to their Biblical effect have always been my favorites, and this one definitely adds itself to the list.
Whether or not there's a place for Hosea in my prophet deck, however, remains to be seen.
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I see we have yet another shade of the green brigade, and this one is electric!
The whole image just looks brighter in the article for some reason. I don't think that will be how it is printed.
I really like this card. It's simple, Biblically accurate, and useful but not OP. Moreover, I think we now have enough information to determine which themes will be in each set:
XX: Prophets/Babylonians
XXI: Prophets/Assyrians
XXII: Genesis/Egyptians
XXIII: Judges/Canaanites
XXIV: Kings/Israelite Kings
XXV: Warriors/Canaanites
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XXII seems to be Genesis(blue)/Genesis(Egyptians). New subtheme, ftw?
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I think XXIs offense is Isaiah
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Just recalled this from the Foreign Sword article:
Will the usefulness of good/evil enhancements be enough to make people consider building decks with good/evil brigade combinations like red/black, green/pale green, green/crimson, blue/gold, or purple/brown?
I think that pretty much solidifies all the themes for the tins, except for XXIII.
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Just recalled this from the Foreign Sword article:
Will the usefulness of good/evil enhancements be enough to make people consider building decks with good/evil brigade combinations like red/black, green/pale green, green/crimson, blue/gold, or purple/brown?
I think that pretty much solidifies all the themes for the tins, except for XXIII.
And they reprinted Abimelech who was both judge and Caananite so that completes the XXIII combo.
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/articles/?sa=view;article=44 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/articles/?sa=view;article=44)
Excellent article! I wish the Bible lessons and real-life applications were written about every single card.
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This set will break booster.
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This set changes a LOT of things.
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Gonna make a rave deck is his art color is final.
strong bad techno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4gqsuww6lw#)
Play this at every tournament next year.
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Whether or not there's a place for Hosea prophets in my prophet Hosea deck, however, remains to be seen.
Fixed.
Booster will indeed be very interesting this year. I would say most of the tins will be very useful. Hosea generates lost souls, which is awesome for booster. [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S] can do awesome things with [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S.], and combining that with [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S.] will make [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S.] have some serious problems. That's the reason I think that whoever has [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S.] will win.
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He's nice, but I don't see how one could build a deck around him.
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Yeah, not unless all the ECs in this set will be OT human banders. I can't think of any particular combos he could pull off with the current card pool.
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It'd be cool if I could actually see his picture.
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This help?
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No.
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Well he's a 5/4 Green Prophet with a Hosea 1:1 reference and the ability, "You may capture an O.T. human Evil Character with a band ability to opponent's Land of Bondage. Cannot be interrupted."
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He's nice, but I don't see how one could build a deck around him.
Yeah, not unless all the ECs in this set will be OT human banders. I can't think of any particular combos he could pull off with the current card pool.
I've seen many decks that use archers, so that should gain at least one capture. I would think this would be more helpful in Type 2, but I do not speak from experience.
I guess you could do a self-capture deck, not unlike using Persian Presidents/Raider's Camp with Disciples.
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I would think this would be more helpful in Type 2, but I do not speak from experience.
Hmmm, a green prophet that helps in Type 2...is that an 8-lb test, fluorocarbon leader attached to that card?? :o
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He's awesome. He can get rid of an evil character without playing an enhancement every battle. Banding evil characters are pretty easy to come by too.
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such as...?
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Gomer and Manasseh are pretty big. Lot's Wife might get more popular soon. Archers. There were also a number of banding characters mentioned in the articles, but we have to wait and see how popular those will be. Not that many--I dunno if Hosea will see too much play.
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Gomer and Manasseh are pretty big. Lot's Wife might get more popular soon. Archers. There were also a number of banding characters mentioned in the articles, but we have to wait and see how popular those will be. Not that many--I dunno if Hosea will see too much play.
Gibeonite Delegates will be mad popular.
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Off the top of my head he'll hurt... Egyptians, Syrians, Persians (mildly), Assyrians (a LOT), Babylonians (a bit), Evil Kings in general, Canaanites apparently, Philistines (depending on who's playing and how), and banding hero who gets converted to an EC.
Also, you can capture /your own/ EC. So it really isn't a problem of having targets. Hosea's meant to be a soul generator, I think he does that rather nicely.
Combine him with a banding offense, or Hidden Treasures, and you've got a nice set up.
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I must say, I am very glad for all the soul generation in this set. Lack of soul access is probably my least favorite part of any game. I hope Heretics feel the hurt.
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too bad he cant hit creeping deceiver.
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pic not showing up for me either.
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It wouldn't show up for me at work, but it seems fine on my home lappy.
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too bad he cant hit creeping deceiver.
He might not be able to capture him, but he generates a soul that is not in a site.
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too bad he cant hit creeping deceiver.
He might not be able to capture him, but he generates a soul that is not in a site.
That's what I was assuming you meant, too. Hosea creates an OT LS, which helps get around heretics in general. Hosea also helps create LSs not in a site to help avoid site lock-out.
That's why I suggested self-capture, to make sure that a NT heretic defense can still be circumvented.
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If you really needed to you could capture one of your own characters.
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If you really needed to you could capture one of your own characters.
That's what "self-capture" is. ;)
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Too bad you can't use Raider's camp with him.
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Too bad you can't use Raider's camp with him.
Well, technically, he is the polar opposite of Raider's Camp. He is trying to generate LSs for rescue rather than prevent LSs from rescue. But, I know what you meant. ;)
Just use my other example of capturing your own Disciples from Fishing Boat with Persian Presidents and put them in Raider's Camp, then get them back after your opponent's rescue if you really need that kind of thrill. :P
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Well, technically, he is the polar opposite of Raider's Camp. He is trying to generate LSs for rescue rather than prevent LSs from rescue. But, I know what you meant. ;)
Just use my other example of capturing your own Disciples from Fishing Boat with Persian Presidents and put them in Raider's Camp, then get them back after your opponent's rescue if you really need that kind of thrill. :P
:o wow I missed that play completly. My little brother will be thrilled, he likes his persians.
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:o wow I missed that play completly. My little brother will be thrilled, he likes his persians.
Persians are fun, even if they don't necessarily win the game. ;)
Since you will be adding some Lion's Den sites to make PerzPrez CBN, you could also add Media sites for a mini lockout, and add Goat with Two Horns to increase the potential number of set-aside heroes. PLus Goat can band to the Prez to increase the chance of the Prez surviving to repeat the process. Of course, the Prez usually gets initiative, so Haman's Plot is always fun!
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:o wow I missed that play completly. My little brother will be thrilled, he likes his persians.
Persians are fun, even if they don't necessarily win the game. ;)
Since you will be adding some Lion's Den sites to make PerzPrez CBN, you could also add Media sites for a mini lockout, and add Goat with Two Horns to increase the potential number of set-aside heroes. PLus Goat can band to the Prez to increase the chance of the Prez surviving to repeat the process. Of course, the Prez usually gets initiative, so Haman's Plot is always fun!
Persians just need some more cards and they'd be quite good.
I mean, just look at the list of all printed Persians. I can't help but laugh at it.
• (Good): Esther (BL), Esther (BU), Esther (L), Esther (P), and Esther (UL)
• (Evil): Haman (BL), Haman (BU), Haman (CL), Haman (CU), Haman (L), Haman (P), Haman (UL), Persian Presidents (RA), Prince of Persia (Pr), The Bear (RA), and Zeresh (Pi)
There are more versions of Haman than there are Persians total.
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That list is missing The Ram with Two Horns and the new version of Prince of Persia. I agree that is still slim pickings, but since Bear, Ram, and Prince are all brown/orange, you have two possible avenues:
1. Add other orange demons like KoT, Trembling Demon, and Deceiving Spirit
2. Add typical brown ECs like Uzzah, KingZed, and Gomer (in spite of that silly new Hosea :P )
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I think YMT just hit the big reason people will put this card in their decks - his very presence makes Gomer negateable. No more Gomer/KoT bands!
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Hosea was definitely useful in playtesting, if not for anything more than giving one of the game's most popular EC's a severe check. However, he's definitely not the best hero you'll see new this year. Not even the best Green one...
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I would think this would be more helpful in Type 2, but I do not speak from experience.
Hmmm, a green prophet that helps in Type 2...is that an 8-lb test, fluorocarbon leader attached to that card?? :o
...Not even the best Green one...
...and is that a shiny, trolling rig also attached?...
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Hosea was definitely useful in playtesting, if not for anything more than giving one of the game's most popular EC's a severe check. However, he's definitely not the best hero you'll see new this year. Not even the best Green one...
My guess is that the best Green one will be Ezekiel
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Zeke is pretty good, but he's not the best green hero either.
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I really want to spoil this bad boy. At least you guys nerfed him a little.
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Yeah, Que is pretty good.
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Yeah, Que is pretty good.
That's Pale Green. Close, but no cigar ;)
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I really want to spoil this bad boy. At least you guys nerfed him a little.
...a little?
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I'll bet it's Isaiah. I heard they were planning a reprint of him.
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I really want to spoil this bad boy. At least you guys nerfed him a little.
...a little?
It depends on if they changed it to top or bottom.
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They removed the CBI.
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Amongst other things yes.
EDIT: I take that back, I just looked, we may or may not have removed the CBI, if in fact we actually are printing him at all....
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Why would you cut the best hero in the set?
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Mr. Incredible is by no means getting cut. Oh, you meant Isaiah? lol
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CBI? I don't see any heroes with CBI on them...
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CBI? I don't see any heroes with CBI on them...
¿orly?
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