Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39689 times)

This looks very much like a PT card, except for that water mark.

Whether or not The Serpent should be a demon is very much open to debate, however for Redemption purposes it has already been debated and ruled that it is not a demon. It's considered an animal under demonic influence or possession. If we ever reprint it, I could easily see it being part orange like we did with Damsel in TeP.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #130 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:07:26 AM »

But it says in the 10th anniversary edition of the rule book that all beasts are demons. So if you say it is a beast, then it is automatically aq demon.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #131 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:13:39 AM »

Quote from: wyatt_marcum on December 16, 2012, 10:07:26 AM

But it says in the 10th anniversary edition of the rule book that all beasts are demons. So if you say it is a beast, then it is automatically aq demon.

The pats version of The Serpent is an Animal, not a Beast.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #132 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:22:18 AM »

Are there any actual spoilers for the new set?

Bryon · « **Reply #133 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:43:05 AM »

Yes. Each starter decks contains Son of God, Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, and 7 lost souls.

I just spoiled 20 cards in 1 sentence.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #134 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:47:27 AM »

How bout stuff we dont already know. LOL.

Bobbert · « **Reply #135 on:** December 16, 2012, 04:30:54 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on December 16, 2012, 10:43:05 AM

Yes. Each starter decks contains Son of God, Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, and 7 lost souls.

I just spoiled 20 cards in 1 sentence.

Wait... so two CMs and no Burial?

Westok Kiok · « **Reply #136 on:** December 16, 2012, 04:34:39 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Hunter on December 16, 2012, 04:30:54 PM

Quote from: Bryon on December 16, 2012, 10:43:05 AM
Yes. Each starter decks contains Son of God, Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, and 7 lost souls.

I just spoiled 20 cards in 1 sentence.

Wait... so two CMs and no Burial?

I was thinking the same thing. Are all of the souls generic?

browarod · « **Reply #137 on:** December 16, 2012, 05:58:16 PM »

Giving both of them CM rather than one CM and one Burial is more balanced. In all the starter deck games I've played Burial has rarely been useful whereas CM is often useful as banding chains are less prevalent in starter decks. So, I like that change.

Drrek · « **Reply #138 on:** December 16, 2012, 08:04:34 PM »

Quote from: browarod on December 16, 2012, 05:58:16 PM

Giving both of them CM rather than one CM and one Burial is more balanced. In all the starter deck games I've played Burial has rarely been useful whereas CM is often useful as banding chains are less prevalent in starter decks. So, I like that change.

Ha, Burial is far superior in the current starters (and especially in sealed deck) because Soul Drought is so strong. With Burial over CM, your opponent has to rescue all but one of the souls you have in your deck, CM only stops one rescue, and the soul will still be there on their next turn for them to rescue.

megamanlan · « **Reply #139 on:** December 16, 2012, 08:28:38 PM »

Quote from: browarod on December 16, 2012, 05:58:16 PM

Giving both of them CM rather than one CM and one Burial is more balanced. In all the starter deck games I've played Burial has rarely been useful whereas CM is often useful as banding chains are less prevalent in starter decks. So, I like that change.

Or maybe there is going to be a totally new Dominant that both decks might get. Like what was suggested in earlier rumors.

...Bryon why'd you have to ruin the surprise? I didn't think they're actually be Lost Souls in the Deck!

Isildur · « **Reply #140 on:** December 16, 2012, 09:25:54 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on December 16, 2012, 08:04:34 PM

Ha, Burial is far superior in the current starters (and especially in sealed deck) because Soul Drought is so strong. With Burial over CM, your opponent has to rescue all but one of the souls you have in your deck, CM only stops one rescue, and the soul will still be there on their next turn for them to rescue.

Not at all true in the short term yes this is true but you need to remember both of your decks are equally slow and there are guaranteed 5 souls for you to rescue. If your playing for the long term game CM is far superior since you can kill your opponents Ace hero and they have no way to get that hero back. When ever I played sealed I always dump my site and burial if I get the deck with Burial. Sure my short term game is hurt like I said earlier but it also means I can put in two more Evil cards which the current starter are REALLY lacking or two more Heroes. I won a nationals doing this! How else are you supposed to fit two Cups of Wrath in your deck

Master KChief · « **Reply #141 on:** December 16, 2012, 09:50:51 PM »

Burial is nigh-useless in starter decks. CM is far superior.

Drrek · « **Reply #142 on:** December 16, 2012, 09:54:15 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on December 16, 2012, 09:25:54 PM

Quote from: Drrek on December 16, 2012, 08:04:34 PM
Ha, Burial is far superior in the current starters (and especially in sealed deck) because Soul Drought is so strong. With Burial over CM, your opponent has to rescue all but one of the souls you have in your deck, CM only stops one rescue, and the soul will still be there on their next turn for them to rescue.
Not at all true in the short term yes this is true but you need to remember both of your decks are equally slow and there are guaranteed 5 souls for you to rescue. If your playing for the long term game CM is far superior since you can kill your opponents Ace hero and they have no way to get that hero back. When ever I played sealed I always dump my site and burial if I get the deck with Burial. Sure my short term game is hurt like I said earlier but it also means I can put in two more Evil cards which the current starter are REALLY lacking or two more Heroes. I won a nationals doing this! How else are you supposed to fit two Cups of Wrath in your deck

You can't even get rid of the opponent's ace hero (at least not in the G/H starters), because midwives just bring Moses (because are you really going to argue anyone else is the ace hero of that deck) back anyway, and you can search out midwives with increasing numbers. And the fact that both of the decks are equally slow is an advantage in favor of burial. You are both going to take many turns to get out enough souls for the game to end, but the burial deck gets to get rid of one of those souls and often get extra turns of rescuing while having nothing to defend.

As an aside, if there is one thing I hope about the new starters, its that they would have some soul-gen in them, because nothing is more frustrating to me that soul drought in sealed.

Isildur · « **Reply #143 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:44:07 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on December 16, 2012, 09:54:15 PM

You can't even get rid of the opponent's ace hero (at least not in the G/H starters), because midwives just bring Moses (because are you really going to argue anyone else is the ace hero of that deck) back anyway, and you can search out midwives with increasing numbers.

This makes no sense if your using the H deck why wouldnt you just use CM on Midwives? You kill Moses with numbers.... really isnt that hard to do lol If your playing G deck against a G deck its even easier to stop Midwives and Moses. Its really just a giant game of Rock Paper Scissors with Starter Decks whoever knows cards in the starters and how to play them better will win guaranteed.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #144 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:17:52 PM »

I tend to agree with Blake on this one

As a side note nothing in redemption is guaranteed

Master KChief · « **Reply #145 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:18:49 PM »

The only time Burial is anywhere near practical in starter deck games is early game and only 1 lost soul drawn. The odds of that happening coupled with the fact Burial gets more and more useless as the game progresses has always made the starter with CM far more powerful.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #146 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:22:43 PM »

I think your missing the point that it takes 5 souls to win both decks have 7 to be drawn while the deck with burial can eliminate one of the one of those souls leaving only 6 that can possibly be rescued in the deck

Master KChief · « **Reply #147 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:26:12 PM »

Your point being what exactly? Stating the obvious? What you have said changes my point less than zero percent.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #148 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:31:33 PM »

Your point would have been correct before the SoG targeting change, but Burial is at least on the same level as CM for sealed.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #149 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:32:25 PM »

It means that I only have 6 available to you

Meaning that I have a smaller percentage chance of making 5 souls available to you through out the game.

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Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39689 times)

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