Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39934 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #50 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:33:28 PM »

Andy your own experience isn't the power of the brigades. The issue is your experience isn't that good. You are becoming an ok deck builder and a mediocer player but just cuz you don't know how to use something doesn't make it bad. People used to think heroless was impossible but that was because they didn't know how to build and use it

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New Raven BR · « **Reply #51 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:43:56 PM »

i may not know how to use red but looking into my red brigade in my collection i say i wouldn't win with it if i did use it and know how to play it

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #52 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:46:26 PM »

If you admit you don't know how to use it, you can't judge it dude.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #53 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:50:54 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 07, 2009, 12:46:26 PM

If you admit you don't know how to use it, you can't judge it dude.

if you saw my stash of red you'd agree with me

DaClock · « **Reply #54 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:29:02 PM »

Quote from: New Raven (trying to change) BR on January 07, 2009, 12:50:54 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 07, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
If you admit you don't know how to use it, you can't judge it dude.
if you saw my stash of red you'd agree with me

Until you have all of the cards in the Red brigade I don't think it's fair to judge how good you could do with it.

Isildur · « **Reply #55 on:** January 07, 2009, 06:18:18 PM »

Rubber band warrior · « **Reply #56 on:** January 07, 2009, 06:48:27 PM »

Agreed. I do own every card in Red, and, while I don't use it, it's not because it's not good. I'm sure there are some very good decks out there that are Red. I don't use it because it's not my style. Just because it's not my style doesn't mean I'm not afraid of it coming up and slapping me in the face when I least expect it.

Gohanick · « **Reply #57 on:** January 08, 2009, 03:38:13 PM »

The thing about starter cards is that their abilities are generally simple due to the nature of them being in the starter decks. This is a good thing and bad thing.

Good being that they are simple to use, not much discrepancies on how to play the cards etc..

Bad being if they are too simple, the experienced players won't really need to buy them (unless they play sealed) and if there are good cards, they generally become a staple card in decks that rely on that color (ex lydia). Because they have simple yet powerful abilities, things can get out of hand rather quickly.

JSB23 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 08, 2009, 03:46:19 PM »

no, we are overdue for a new starter deck

lightningninja · « **Reply #59 on:** January 08, 2009, 03:51:20 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on January 08, 2009, 03:50:14 PM

Quote from: JSB23 on January 08, 2009, 03:46:19 PM
no, we are overdue for a new starter deck

have you any idea how many people lost ther job be-cause of the econ situation? if cactus sells starters then its not gonna do them any good cause people have housing bills & car bills. and now seince obama is president you have no idea how many other jobs people are gonna lose.

Please let's not start insulting Obama in this thread...

And I think starters would be BETTER since the economy, right guys?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #60 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:07:21 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on January 08, 2009, 03:51:20 PM

And I think starters would be BETTER since the economy, right guys?

I don't think so, personally. When money is tight, people may dish out $3 for a pack, but not $10 for a starter. For repeat sales, packs will continue to sell, while starters are a one-time purchase. Sealed Deck participation will increase at tournaments for a little while when new starters come out, but will wane over time. Some people would play more Sealed Deck just for the opportunity to pick up three of a new booster set. Booster Draft hosts would have to decide whether to include a new booster pack separate from the tins.

The bottom line is that a new starter set would cost more money for hosts to keep in supply. Booster packs have a faster turn around and generate more profit. As a small-time host, that is the dilemma I face. That was the same problem I had with the tins. I can't afford to keep a large stock of tins, and my students didn't buy very many. But $3 burns a hole in kids' pockets, so I sold a ton of booster packs.

DaClock · « **Reply #61 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:04:03 PM »

I think that Cactus needs to do whatever is best for their business during the recession. I believe that finding new players to buy current inventory is a great way to do that. This can be facilitated through easy-to-learn starters which is why I think they're the best option currently.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #62 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:19:07 PM »

Good point.

lightningninja · « **Reply #63 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:33:43 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on January 08, 2009, 08:57:27 PM

That my friend is exactly what I was trying to say

And you were giving a valid point saying, "stop talking about what you know nothing about?"

Please don't hold people to a standard you don't hold yourself to. And knock it off, guys, okay? Seriously. $:-\$

Red · « **Reply #64 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #65 on:** January 08, 2009, 11:10:46 PM »

It's nepotism! Cold hearted nepotism! How could you MJB?

lightningninja · « **Reply #66 on:** January 09, 2009, 06:27:32 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on January 08, 2009, 11:02:36 PM

Quote from: fireninja on January 08, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Please don't hold people to a standard you don't hold yourself to.

And the post where he apologized? You skipped that because...

I honelsty didn't see that... where was that? Sorry I missed that MJB...

JSB23 · « **Reply #67 on:** January 09, 2009, 11:04:30 PM »

A mod has been here................

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #68 on:** January 09, 2009, 11:23:19 PM »

I deleted my post, FireNinja. A mod (or roving group of mods) deleted the previous side discussion sometime after I posted.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #69 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:54:18 AM »

I hear what you are saying about people not wanting to spend $10 on a starter deck. I think that it is mostly psychological since people usually end up spending way more on booster packs but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect what people buy. I know this will probably never happen but here is my ideal scenario:

Since there are 8 brigades, make 8 new starter decks (of course orange gets 2 because they need the help). They will each be 56 card starter decks instead of 100. Each deck has one good brigade and one evil brigade which keeps it simpler for new players, allows them to build up a deck easier, can easily enhance themes that way, and still allows for some interesting complexity for more advanced players. I would make each deck focus on different strategies so it would be helpful for teaching new players. Also some would use fortresses, some curses/covs, some weapon class, etc so you don't have to teach those or banding, site lockout, negating, immunity, capturing, etc. all at once. Of course even with their differences, they still need to all have an equal chance of winning.

I think this would greatly boost the sealed deck category. I enjoy playing sealed deck but it gets boring after 8 rounds/8 tournaments to always be playing against only 2 types of decks. I also know people that would like to play Redemption but HATE deck building (which I love). This would make it easier for people to just pick up a deck and play.

I would also use this as an opportunity to help new players by reprinting Dominants. It is hard for new players to compete if all they have is the original starter deck Doms. I also think it is more interesting if the decks don't all have the same Doms. Of course I don't want to kill the value of cards like DoN so these new cards would be lesser non UR reprints. Examples: Guardian of Souls - Protect all lost souls in all players land of Redemption from Falling Away. Falling Away - You may choose any lost soul with a special ability in a land of Redemption and place it in your Land of Bondage. Destruction of Nehustan - You may discard any O.T. artifact. That artifact is negated.

I know that it would be very financially difficult for Cactus to release these all at once so maybe they could plan for all 8 and release a couple at a time with a small (100?) booster set? If none of my ideas happen, I'm sure I'll still want to get whatever they do release.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 10, 2009, 01:34:05 PM »

I really like galadgawyn's idea of multiple starter decks. I don't know whether it is practical or not, but I like it. I do have one suggestion...

I would probably go with quad-brigade (two good/two evil) decks instead of dual-brigade decks. I would make the brigades so that there were two good/evil pairs that each match up with combos in FoOF/RoA tins. That way when a new player wanted to upgrade his deck he could buy one tin from Cactus and be good to go.

DaClock · « **Reply #71 on:** January 10, 2009, 03:10:00 PM »

I like the idea of a bunch of new starters. However, I doubt it would happen because you would need to print around 500 individual cards for a complete set. That would be pretty expensive for Cactus and for tournament hosts.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #72 on:** January 10, 2009, 11:46:17 PM »

I'm torn on this idea of having new starters that match up with FooF or RoA tins. For the beginning player I think that would be the cheapest way to quickly put together a deck that could at least compete at larger tournaments.

However, for Cactus, that is not very good for business. I'm sure that Rob would appreciate it if a new player bought a starter deck and then had to buy separate FooF or RoA tins to boost their offense and defense. Realistically even in that scenario, you're paying $10 + $15 + $15 for a total of $40. That is incredibly cheap for a tournament competitive CCG deck, and about the same as teenagers pay all the time for their latest video game.

Besides trying to keep Cactus on solid financial ground, I also like the idea of more people buying FooF and RoA tins for 2 other reasons. The first is that it means that the old boosters will sell out faster meaning reprints of older cards (like the apostles who are probably the most underpowered cards in the game compared to their Biblical significance). The second is that it will lead to more people being able to trade FooF and RoA cards, which could enliven the extremely diminished trading aspect of Redemption.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #73 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:29:48 PM »

Quote from: New Raven (trying to change) BR on January 06, 2009, 02:18:48 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 06, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
I doubt they will do tins specially since (if memory serves) rob said itll be starters.
then it's not a matter of if but will.
I/J will be released this year but the question is: what does rob have in mind for the I deck's and J deck's offense and defense?
i say Teal should go in one and orange should go in the other since there hasn't been a starter out after when preists was released

I just hope there's a green prophet with numbers bitter than 10/10.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #74 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:42:29 PM »

Quote from: New Raven (trying to change) BR on January 06, 2009, 02:32:31 PM

that's a good question,rr

what's rr?

Quote from: STAMP on January 06, 2009, 05:13:42 PM

G/H was really good for themes. I think I/J will be more of the same, maybe some civilization themes like more with Philistines or more for musicians, etc.

I just foresee (pun intended) a problem with recognizing the differtence between an I and a J, what with my failing eyesight. I still have problems with E/F and finally just had to memorize which cards are in which.

rofl

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Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39934 times)