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i may not know how to use red but looking into my red brigade in my collection i say i wouldn't win with it if i did use it and know how to play it

If you admit you don't know how to use it, you can't judge it dude.

if you saw my stash of red you'd agree with me

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The thing about starter cards is that their abilities are generally simple due to the nature of them being in the starter decks. This is a good thing and bad thing.

Good being that they are simple to use, not much discrepancies on how to play the cards etc..

Bad being if they are too simple, the experienced players won't really need to buy them (unless they play sealed) and if there are good cards, they generally become a staple card in decks that rely on that color (ex lydia). Because they have simple yet powerful abilities, things can get out of hand rather quickly.

Quote from: JSB23 on January 08, 2009, 03:46:19 PM

no, we are overdue for a new starter deck 

have you any idea how many people lost ther job be-cause of the econ situation? if cactus sells starters then its not gonna do them any good cause people have housing bills & car bills. and now seince obama is president you have no idea how many other jobs people are gonna lose.

Please let's not start insulting Obama in this thread...

And I think starters would be BETTER since the economy, right guys?

I think that Cactus needs to do whatever is best for their business during the recession. I believe that finding new players to buy current inventory is a great way to do that. This can be facilitated through easy-to-learn starters which is why I think they're the best option currently.

That my friend is exactly what I was trying to say

And you were giving a valid point saying, "stop talking about what you know nothing about?"

Please don't hold people to a standard you don't hold yourself to. And knock it off, guys, okay? Seriously. 

It's nepotism! Cold hearted nepotism!  How could you MJB?

 

A mod has been here................

I hear what you are saying about people not wanting to spend $10 on a starter deck.  I think that it is mostly psychological since people usually end up spending way more on booster packs but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect what people buy.  I know this will probably never happen but here is my ideal scenario:

Since there are 8 brigades, make 8 new starter decks (of course orange gets 2 because they need the help).  They will each be 56 card starter decks instead of 100.  Each deck has one good brigade and one evil brigade which keeps it simpler for new players, allows them to build up a deck easier, can easily enhance themes that way, and still allows for some interesting complexity for more advanced players.  I would make each deck focus on different strategies so it would be helpful for teaching new players.  Also some would use fortresses, some curses/covs, some weapon class, etc so you don't have to teach those or banding, site lockout, negating, immunity, capturing, etc. all at once.  Of course even with their differences, they still need to all have an equal chance of winning.

I think this would greatly boost the sealed deck category.  I enjoy playing sealed deck but it gets boring after 8 rounds/8 tournaments to always be playing against only 2 types of decks.  I also know people that would like to play Redemption but HATE deck building (which I love).  This would make it easier for people to just pick up a deck and play.

I would also use this as an opportunity to help new players by reprinting Dominants.  It is hard for new players to compete if all they have is the original starter deck Doms.  I also think it is more interesting if the decks don't all have the same Doms.  Of course I don't want to kill the value of cards like DoN so these new cards would be lesser non UR reprints.  Examples:  Guardian of Souls - Protect all lost souls in all players land of Redemption from Falling Away.  Falling Away - You may choose any lost soul with a special ability in a land of Redemption and place it in your Land of Bondage.  Destruction of Nehustan - You may discard any O.T. artifact.  That artifact is negated. 

I know that it would be very financially difficult for Cactus to release these all at once so maybe they could plan for all 8 and release a couple at a time with a small (100?) booster set?  If none of my ideas happen, I'm sure I'll still want to get whatever they do release.

I like the idea of a bunch of new starters. However, I doubt it would happen because you would need to print around 500 individual cards for a complete set. That would be pretty expensive for Cactus and for tournament hosts.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 06, 2009, 02:14:42 PM

I doubt they will do tins specially since (if memory serves) rob said itll be starters.

then it's not a matter of if but will.
I/J will be released this year but the question is: what does rob have in mind for the I deck's and J deck's offense and defense?
i say Teal should go in one and orange should go in the other since there hasn't been a starter out after when preists was released

I just hope there's a green prophet with numbers bitter than 10/10.