Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39907 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #150 on:** December 16, 2012, 11:39:00 PM »

Unless it is possible to make only 4 available, 1 less marks no consequential difference besides, as already stated, in the early game and if you are able to satisfy the condition of not drawing more than 1 lost soul. Even then you're only delaying the inevitable, wheras CM is a definitive answer to any ace hero. Burial's viability mid to late game is non-existent. CM, on the other hand, is always live.

Isildur · « **Reply #151 on:** December 17, 2012, 12:19:51 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on December 16, 2012, 11:39:00 PM

Unless it is possible to make only 4 available, 1 less marks no consequential difference besides, as already stated, in the early game and if you are able to satisfy the condition of not drawing more than 1 lost soul. Even then you're only delaying the inevitable, wheras CM is a definitive answer to any ace hero. Burial's viability mid to late game is non-existent. CM, on the other hand, is always live.

I think what most players are not getting is that there is almost no extra drawing in the starters. With no extra drawing you NEED to plan for the long term game because chances are your opponent has all of their souls stacked at the bottom of their deck and you have to wait while they slowly only 3 cards per turn till they finally get a soul. And in the long term since there are a guaranteed 5 souls to rescue (this is counting Burial and SOG) whats the point in having Burial?

Drrek · « **Reply #152 on:** December 17, 2012, 12:43:54 AM »

Quote from: Isildur on December 17, 2012, 12:19:51 AM

Quote from: Master KChief on December 16, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
Unless it is possible to make only 4 available, 1 less marks no consequential difference besides, as already stated, in the early game and if you are able to satisfy the condition of not drawing more than 1 lost soul. Even then you're only delaying the inevitable, wheras CM is a definitive answer to any ace hero. Burial's viability mid to late game is non-existent. CM, on the other hand, is always live.
I think what most players are not getting is that there is almost no extra drawing in the starters. With no extra drawing you NEED to plan for the long term game because chances are your opponent has all of their souls stacked at the bottom of their deck and you have to wait while they slowly only 3 cards per turn till they finally get a soul. And in the long term since there are a guaranteed 5 souls to rescue (this is counting Burial and SOG) whats the point in having Burial?

because if they have to wait longer for those 5 souls to be able to be rescued, you have a distinct advantage over them.

Gabe · « **Reply #153 on:** December 17, 2012, 12:44:47 AM »

In my experience with G/H, the player who draws their Lost Souls first usually loses. Whether or not CM is better than Burial is obviously debatable, but Burial does have good value.

The new starter decks are supposed to be the best teaching tool the game has seen and give new players a good first impression. As someone previously mentioned, Lost Soul drought is not fun. We've made considerable effort to ensure that is rarely an issue.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #154 on:** December 17, 2012, 12:47:47 AM »

News of a change!!!

cookie monster · « **Reply #155 on:** December 17, 2012, 02:12:24 PM »

Are there any real spoilers (ones that include the special ability) that you can give us?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #156 on:** December 17, 2012, 02:13:59 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 17, 2012, 02:12:24 PM

Are there any real spoilers (ones that include the special ability) that you can give us?

Considering the set hasn't gone to print yet, everything is subject to change.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #157 on:** December 17, 2012, 02:27:11 PM »

`I've heard that most of the stuff is pretty much et though. They are tweaking a few still I thnk, but it isnt supposed to be anythng major.

Chris · « **Reply #158 on:** December 17, 2012, 03:16:41 PM »

Son of God is confirmed to negate the ability of the soul it rescues, allowing it to rescue the NT and */4 Lost Souls.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #159 on:** December 17, 2012, 03:19:57 PM »

what?

cookie monster · « **Reply #160 on:** December 17, 2012, 04:37:46 PM »

That should be fun. People will more compelled to play with defense because they can no longer protect lost souls from SoG.

Iamalittleking · « **Reply #161 on:** December 17, 2012, 04:51:14 PM »

i hope it it make for more defense though i suspect it's not going to change a thing. $:-\$

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #162 on:** December 17, 2012, 05:46:58 PM »

it also makes the most printed card in the game totally worthless...

jbeers285 · « **Reply #163 on:** December 17, 2012, 05:48:07 PM »

unless the new sog can not be used with NJ . . . then the old sog's still have value in that sense

Master Q · « **Reply #164 on:** December 17, 2012, 08:05:01 PM »

I'm just glad both decks finally have an answer to AotL. I've usually preferred the deck with CM just for that reason. Usually if people draw souls in Sealed it's more than one, so as said, Burial is less useful (unless you draft off-color sites), especially now that you can't rescue your own w/ SoG. Maybe both decks will include a soul that searches the opponent's deck for a soul. That would be great...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #165 on:** December 17, 2012, 08:24:05 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on December 17, 2012, 05:46:58 PM

it also makes the most printed card in the game totally worthless...

Nope.... Buckler is still just as useful.

STAMP · « **Reply #166 on:** December 18, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 17, 2012, 08:24:05 PM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on December 17, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
it also makes the most printed card in the game totally worthless...

Nope.... Buckler is still just as useful.

Some might say more useful.

KingLeo · « **Reply #167 on:** December 19, 2012, 04:32:53 PM »

Lets make a buckler dominant in the new decks (this is just a joke)

good and evil dom.

if owner used the original buckler last nationals he wins 2013 nationals.

KingLeo

Gabe · « **Reply #168 on:** December 24, 2012, 01:53:05 PM »

As a holiday gift, I'll give you a clue - maybe two. More than one correct answer is possibly true.

An out of print staple will see print once more and a three version Hero is soon to be four.

Merry Christmas Redemption fans!

KingLeo · « **Reply #169 on:** December 24, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on December 24, 2012, 01:53:05 PM

As a holiday gift, I'll give you a clue - maybe two. More than one correct answer is possibly true.

An out of print staple will see print once more and a three version Hero is soon to be four.

Merry Christmas Redemption fans!

Question. Are you going to remake Soldier of God and all the characters he bands to?

(That'd be EPIC but I doubt it)
Thanks for the present of spoiler!

KingLeo

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #170 on:** December 25, 2012, 03:25:06 PM »

Thanks Gabe.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #171 on:** December 25, 2012, 05:07:54 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on December 24, 2012, 01:53:05 PM

and a three version Hero is soon to be four.

Could it possibly be....

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #172 on:** December 25, 2012, 05:27:54 PM »

Mr.Underwood would like that. LOL

cookie monster · « **Reply #173 on:** December 26, 2012, 02:16:58 PM »

I hope they reprint that card

Lampy 2.0 · « **Reply #174 on:** December 26, 2012, 05:04:55 PM »

Is it David possibly? Or Jonathan? I know he wasn't hinted at, but I hope we get a new Gideon in the starter.

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Author Topic: any word on the I/J starter decks? (Read 39907 times)

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