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Title: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Warrior on October 03, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 4 / 5 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Return an Evil Character to owner's hand. Protect your warrior class Heroes from capture. Cannot be negated if David is in play. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Canaan, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Samuel 26:6 •

Brainstorm Session
What are some of the crazy things you can do with Ahimelek?
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Warrior on October 03, 2011, 10:40:39 PM
-Set him aside on Ambush

-Return an exchanged Seven Wicked Spirits to hand

-Trigger Stronghold in the Desert by placing their only EC (of that brigade) into their hand

-Band him in with Battle Cry... or United Army...  or Sound the Alarm
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: TheHobbit13 on October 03, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
-Wheel within a wheel him on in
-Writ your own King Amaziah and add him to battle
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 03, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
Angel under the Oak => Samuel + Ishmaiah + Ahimilek...okay...so that's not really an effective Ahimilek combo...

Seraiah + Silver Trumpets + Ahimilek

Ambush + Ahimilek

TGT + TGT Hero + Gathering + Ahimilek
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: ChristianSoldier on October 04, 2011, 01:09:46 AM
Return a demon to your hand so you can put it beneath your deck with The Bronze Laver gaining you an extra card each turn for you to gates of hell or Wandering Spirit it out by the next turn.

Not really very crazy but useful, but return characters to move around weapons (I think that weapons follow the warrior).

Your opponent attacks you with a Garden Tomb character with Garden Tomb active when you have at exactly 2 characters of the same brigade out, block with one of them and cause a side battle (this works well with King Rehoboam) and return the other character, so that when you go back to the original battle your character is being ignored and thus giving you infinite initiative to wreak untold destruction on your opponent before protecting lost souls from rescue/playing a dominant to stop them.  Note: this can also work by using a choose the rescuer card to give them your garden tomb hero and whatnot.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Professoralstad on October 04, 2011, 11:33:35 AM
He's also helpful for returning an EC with Charms/Horsies on it to opponent's hand, so that neither can be used right away.

He also combos nice with Canaan (which actually combos nice with the Far Country LS) to make the cost for capturing a Hero much lower.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 04, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
The most fun chain is Gibeonite Treaty to capture your Canaanite, then use Canaan to give it to your opponent, then try to rescue it but if not, you can use Ahimelek to get it back.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Warrior on October 04, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
Wraith beat me to it, I just now thought of Seraiah and Silver Trumpets and got on to post it. Rock on!

Send the "another" Assyrian back to their hand to prevent the activation of Assyrian Seige Army.

Send the "another" Babylonian back to their hand to prevent the CBN of Nebuzaradan.

Reset your Gates-of-Samaria-bulked King back to hand for better initiative.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 04, 2011, 03:33:22 PM
The most fun chain is Gibeonite Treaty to capture your Canaanite, then use Canaan to give it to your opponent, then try to rescue it but if not, you can use Ahimelek to get it back.
He can return evil characters treated as a ls?
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 04, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
I suppose not. I guess it's just one or the other, but a branched combo is much better than a rigid combo.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Wing on October 05, 2011, 11:39:11 AM
Play Gathering of Angels on CoTH. Attack with him band in Samuel search for David to D2 and make Ahimelek CBN then band in Ahimelek.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 01:18:33 PM
If you band a bunch of characters and Amaleck into battle.  Then with Amaleck you return the character they blocked with, in lots of cases it's just like saving there character from getting defeted by the numbers.  Really? Are they gonna be able to get rid of all the characters you band in battle.  The however if they have a negate to negate your banding card with they can't play it because they are returned.  that's the one plus I see.

Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 05, 2011, 01:24:33 PM
The point is, their character survived but you win the battle, cbn. Which is majorly good. You're 1/3 to winning.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 01:26:33 PM
The point is, their character survived but you win the battle, cbn. Which is majorly good. You're 1/3 to winning.
Awww forgot about the CBN if David is in play.

However, I've seen a red deck that doesn't use David because he doesn't want to discard his Uriah.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Wing on October 05, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
The point is, their character survived but you win the battle, cbn. Which is majorly good. You're 1/3 to winning.
Awww forgot about the CBN if David is in play.

However, I've seen a red deck that doesn't use David because he doesn't want to discard his Uriah.

CBN Bravery of David is worth more than Uriah IMHO.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
Here's what you have to weigh
T&S  a discard
David's Triumph a discard
Bravery of David a discard

Is it better to have the benefits of David and a chance at only one use of Uriah
Or is it better to try to keep Uriah to play 2-3 of these

I do use a David in my red Deck.  I also have an Abby to band to him though.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 05, 2011, 01:48:10 PM
Red decks aren't good. Ahimilek decks are good. Ahimilek decks without David aren't good.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 05, 2011, 01:48:48 PM
Red decks aren't good. Ahimilek decks are good. Ahimilek decks without David aren't good.
Red and Purple decks are good.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Wing on October 05, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
Here's what you have to weigh
T&S  a discard
David's Triumph a discard
Bravery of David a discard

Is it better to have the benefits of David and a chance at only one use of Uriah
Or is it better to try to keep Uriah to play 2-3 of these

I do use a David in my red Deck.  I also have an Abby to band to him though.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with using both. Uriah takes out an EC with him and he is easy to get back with David's Harp or Chariots of Fire.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 05, 2011, 02:12:53 PM
Red decks aren't good. Ahimilek decks are good. Ahimilek decks without David aren't good.
Red and Purple decks are good.
Red and Purple decks are bad. Samuel/Ahimilek decks are good.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 02:57:50 PM
@Wraith
What do you not like about red red/purple decks
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 05, 2011, 03:38:26 PM
I mean a solid red deck isn't that good. Example:

Ahimilek
Ishmaiah
Ashael
Heldai
Uriah
Centurian at Capernaum (or Calvary, not sure which does which)
Ira/David (whichever you want to use)

Bravery of David
Battle Cry
David's Triumph
Counsel of Abigail
Trumpet and Sword
Centurian's Proclamation
A Soldier's Prayer
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No way is that going to beat a solid Ahimilek deck.

I'm not sure why you'd bother with Red/Purple when Ahimilek/Samuel abuse exists, since those make the deck 100x faster and better. More than likely, his "Red/Purple" is actually an Ahimilek/Samuel. Which really doesn't rely on Red or Purple. It relies on Samuel speed and Ahimilek CBN wins.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 03:59:47 PM
But why is Samuel/Amaleck so good.  Abigail can draw a lot of cards to.  Not to mention the purple you can through in with King Amazing/Valley of salt Reach AocP and Counsel.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 05, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
The better (imo) Samuel decks are Red/Purple base.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
The better (imo) Samuel decks are Red/Purple base.
why I'm really confused right now.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 05, 2011, 05:08:46 PM
Samuel (Red/Purple) use 3-4 ITB/CBN wins, not to mention the ability to gain 9 cards in one battle with just heroes.

Samuel (Red/Teal) is great too.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 05, 2011, 08:56:39 PM
I'm not sure why you'd bother with Red/Purple when Ahimilek/Samuel abuse exists, since those make the deck 100x faster and better. More than likely, his "Red/Purple" is actually an Ahimilek/Samuel. Which really doesn't rely on Red or Purple. It relies on Samuel speed and Ahimilek CBN wins.
More than likely, you're wrong.  ;) There are serious advantages to a red/purple, without Samuel, Nazareth being one. Household Idols being another. And it's almost as fast, it really is.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Warrior on October 06, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
This topic has turned into the very antithesis of it's inspiration :P

I found myself getting angry one day at how much smack people talk about top tier decks and cards without naming specific plays, why they are good, or what to do with them. So rather than complaining I thought I'd start some constructive conversation.

So for all you who saying "Ahimelek deck" - what does that mean? How is this not a "red" deck? What are some combos?

For all you who saying "Samuel & Ahimelek" deck - what makes a deck fit this docket? (Combos, 'staples', etc.)
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 12:50:13 AM
Ahimelek -- It uses some red, such as Ishmaiah and David, to draw cards and have Ahimelek be cbn. Instead of having lots of red battle winners, it primarily used cards like Battle Cry and Sound the Alarm to use Ahimelek to wni the battles.

Samuel and Ahimelek -- It used the Samuel draw cards, like Angel under the Oak, Samuel banded to Armorbearer to Ishmaiah, and some other cards. Then battle winners include battle cry and Deborah's Directive to band in Ahimelek for cbn battle winning.

That's the basic strategies, deck lists will vary.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 06, 2011, 01:15:22 AM
Ahimelek -- It uses some red, such as Ishmaiah and David, to draw cards and have Ahimelek be cbn. Instead of having lots of red battle winners, it primarily used cards like Battle Cry and Sound the Alarm to use Ahimelek to wni the battles.
Red/Teal is quite common for Ahimilek, due to Trumpet and Sword (just an awesome Red/Teal card), Jehoiada's Strength, and The Silver Trumpets. Teal also increases the speed factor with Pentecost and First Fruits. Ambush is another great Ahimilek abuser.

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Samuel and Ahimelek -- It used the Samuel draw cards, like Angel under the Oak, Samuel banded to Armorbearer to Ishmaiah, and some other cards. Then battle winners include battle cry and Deborah's Directive to band in Ahimelek for cbn battle winning.
From what I've seen, the battle winners generally are:
Samuel's Edict (negate and CBN discard)
Reach/AoCP (interrupt and CBN discard)
Bravery of David (negate and CBN discard
Unified Kingdom (Generally off of King David, so banding in Ahimilek is a CBN return)
Battle Cry (interrupt and band [to Ahimilek, who CBN], essentially a CBI)
Zeal (less so, but again, interrupt and CBN discard)

But why is Samuel/Amaleck so good.  Abigail can draw a lot of cards to.  Not to mention the purple you can through in with King Amazing/Valley of salt Reach AocP and Counsel.
All of which can easily be included in a Samuel/Ahimilek deck. I didn't use King Amazing/VoS or Counsel, but Abigail was nice for drawing, plus getting around Uzzah.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Red Warrior on October 06, 2011, 01:27:45 AM
Yeah I've been using a red/teal deck since the release of Trumpet and Sword, lol. And although I have Jehoida's Strength and Battle Cry I would not consider it an "Ahimelek" deck by a long shot. If Ahimelek died I wouldn't flinch... I get more torn up when they kill my Phinehas or Centurians.

I do appreciate the deck explanations GREATLY wraith and ninja, I hadn't observed these first hand. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 01:45:05 AM
The biggest advantage of a Red/Purple over a focus on Samuel is that you don't have to worry about Nazareth.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 06, 2011, 09:14:19 AM
Yeah I've been using a red/teal deck since the release of Trumpet and Sword, lol. And although I have Jehoida's Strength and Battle Cry I would not consider it an "Ahimelek" deck by a long shot. If Ahimelek died I wouldn't flinch... I get more torn up when they kill my Phinehas or Centurians.
...you haven't played Ahimilek. I originally just threw him in my Samuel deck for lulz. Hands down best hero in the game.

The biggest advantage of a Red/Purple over a focus on Samuel is that you don't have to worry about Nazareth.
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: SomeKittens on October 06, 2011, 09:54:32 AM
Abigail gets around Uzzah?  I didn't catch that, nice!  She may find a spot in my deck.

The nice thing is Red/Purple is possible with a splash of Teal for lulz.  (and Zeal CBN)  (or CBI if you can't find your Joshua)
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Professoralstad on October 06, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Abigail gets around Uzzah?  I didn't catch that, nice!  She may find a spot in my deck.

Yeah. You didn't think she was just useful against Burial, did you? She gets around Uzzah, Trembling Demon (even with HoH up), Heretics, Bel's Banquet, Failed Objective, Just a Hireling, DoU, Washing Hands, Stone Throwers, SSS, and maybe more that I'm missing.

Basically, all that in addition to drawing, banding, and getting better initiative than most royalty while not being able to be hit by just one Samaria. Yeah, she's worth a spot in quite a few decks.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 06, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Larson.....

"Hmm.... I think he has Uzzah in his hand and nothing else, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he has Burial in his hand and nothing else, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he can stop Sammy but not Abby, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"

Srs. That lost him the game. So eZ.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 06, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....

"Hmm.... I think he has Uzzah in his hand, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he has Burial in his hand, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he can stop Sammy but not Abby, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"

Srs. That lost him the game. So eZ.
Sam Larson, not Sam Nurge.

I'm such a noob.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: STAMP on October 06, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
Agreed.  In my games with TJ, when I wasn't having fun with King Amazing I was letting TJ know his Uzzah didn't work with my Abigail.  I let him use his Fallen Warrior with horsies, just to be nice.  Of course, it wasn't nice when I made him shuffle his 6/14 FW+horsies next turn.  :laugh:   I should make a sour patch kids commercial.  ;)
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 06, 2011, 01:50:02 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....
I knew that on some level.... Nurge lives in MA right?
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: SomeKittens on October 06, 2011, 01:52:05 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....
I knew that on some level.... Nurge lives in MA right?
Yeah, I was wondering about that, thought it was RTS.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 02:02:47 PM
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
Do they run Benedictus? Even still, that's one turn. It also stops Angel Under the Oak from getting him out faster, and for decks that use Wheel within a wheel to get our Angel under the Oak, it stops their search consistency. It won't mean you shut down their offense, but it's a perk.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: SomeKittens on October 06, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
Angel with a Secret Name negates sites.
Title: Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 06, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
Do they run Benedictus? Even still, that's one turn. It also stops Angel Under the Oak from getting him out faster, and for decks that use Wheel within a wheel to get our Angel under the Oak, it stops their search consistency. It won't mean you shut down their offense, but it's a perk.
Whoops, definitely meant Angel under the Oak (using Wheel within a Wheel is overkill, IMO). Sammy still works due to:

Angel with a Secret Name.

Sorry.
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