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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #725 on: April 26, 2017, 05:02:36 PM »
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The "at any time" could make for one very broken combo...depending on what the current rules for stalling are...

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand where the problem lies...

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Either way, FooF Protection of Jerusalem might be fun to play around with too.

That's a fun combo for sure, but this set also introduces more ways to counter it.  8)
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #726 on: April 26, 2017, 06:05:41 PM »
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #727 on: April 26, 2017, 06:38:50 PM »
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Quote from: galadgawyn on April 24, 2017, 08:37:00 AM
Is it too late for changes?  I don't know if this has been covered but the wording on "The Great White Throne" seems problematic.

"You may banish an evil card in discard pile to search deck for a Hero.  At any time, you may discard an evil card in territory to force opponent to withdraw all but one Evil Character in battle." 

So the way I read that you could discard all evil characters, fortresses and curses at any time.  That would be obviously broken and I don't believe that would be the intention but with that wording why couldn't you?  It doesn't say once a turn, or that you have to withdraw an evil character for it to work, or that it even has to be the battle phase. 

On other cards like the ones that discard all the cards in a hand, they work even if the opponent doesn't have any cards in hand, so to be consistent:

"I discard your curse to force you to withdraw all but Red Dragon.  But I only have Red Dragon in battle?!?

That's ok, even though all is zero you are still withdrawing all but one evil character, now I discard your coliseum to do it again, then all your characters in territory and once the battle ends, the Red Dragon who is in territory now.    Great, I guess I shouldn't play much defense anymore."

I would love to know if there is some combination of rules that prevent this but even if there is, I think this could use some rewriting to clarify.

Does "in territory" perhaps mean in your territory? Because if they wanted it to say in any territory I would think they would say "discard an evil card in a territory".
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #728 on: April 26, 2017, 07:09:49 PM »
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Quote from: ChristianSoldier on April 26, 2017, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: galadgawyn on April 24, 2017, 08:37:00 AM
Is it too late for changes?  I don't know if this has been covered but the wording on "The Great White Throne" seems problematic.

"You may banish an evil card in discard pile to search deck for a Hero.  At any time, you may discard an evil card in territory to force opponent to withdraw all but one Evil Character in battle." 

So the way I read that you could discard all evil characters, fortresses and curses at any time.  That would be obviously broken and I don't believe that would be the intention but with that wording why couldn't you?  It doesn't say once a turn, or that you have to withdraw an evil character for it to work, or that it even has to be the battle phase. 

On other cards like the ones that discard all the cards in a hand, they work even if the opponent doesn't have any cards in hand, so to be consistent:

"I discard your curse to force you to withdraw all but Red Dragon.  But I only have Red Dragon in battle?!?

That's ok, even though all is zero you are still withdrawing all but one evil character, now I discard your coliseum to do it again, then all your characters in territory and once the battle ends, the Red Dragon who is in territory now.    Great, I guess I shouldn't play much defense anymore."

I would love to know if there is some combination of rules that prevent this but even if there is, I think this could use some rewriting to clarify.

Does "in territory" perhaps mean in your territory? Because if they wanted it to say in any territory I would think they would say "discard an evil card in a territory".

In territory means in your territory. And yes, if it said "in a territory" then it means any player's territory.
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #729 on: April 26, 2017, 07:34:27 PM »
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So, I know this is a bit off topic, but with the Community created cards, would it be possible to start doing that for (at least) 1 promo each year? I think it is a really cool way to get lots of people involved, and it would be really cool. I mean, I know I am going to be running a watchman in at least one deck this year (if I ever finish building it), mostly because we all helped to make it.just a thought.
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #730 on: April 26, 2017, 10:30:50 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on April 26, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
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The "at any time" could make for one very broken combo...depending on what the current rules for stalling are...

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand where the problem lies...

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Either way, FooF Protection of Jerusalem might be fun to play around with too.

That's a fun combo for sure, but this set also introduces more ways to counter it.  8)

I don't know anyone who would do this if it actually would work, but theoretically: Wandering Spirit blocks, use throne to discard a demon from territory, it gets underdecked, gates of hell to get it back in territory, throne, gates, throne, gates etc.
Or is there already a rule preventing this?
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #731 on: April 26, 2017, 10:53:35 PM »
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Well for one thing, if you instead a cost, you don't get the benefit, and Great White Throne is a cost benefit ability (do this to do that).

Even so, it only allows you to withdraw all but 1 evil character, so if they only have 1 in battle, it doesn't do anything.
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #732 on: April 26, 2017, 11:04:09 PM »
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But you can pay the cost without getting the benefit.

I think there's a general rule to prevent stalling in that manner, but I don't know where it is.
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #733 on: April 27, 2017, 09:02:51 AM »
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Tournament rules regarding stalling are in the Host Guide.
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #734 on: May 21, 2017, 10:17:40 PM »
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Please sticky!  :police:
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Re: Revelation of John - Set List and Information
« Reply #735 on: May 23, 2017, 11:29:09 AM »
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Please sticky!  :police:

If you look at the "Master Set Lists" stickied at the top, it has a link to this thread.
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