Author Topic: Revelation of John - Set List and Information (Read 96878 times)

Ironisaac · « **Reply #675 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:09:12 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 13, 2017, 10:06:08 AM

Let's move the focus back to the new set--there's been a lot of discussion about Michael, but hardly any on the winner cards, which I find surprising.

I think all three are going to show up in a ton of decks this year (much like the winner cards last year).

I love the ends of the earth and the good version of lurking. I think that the ends of the earth will probably be best used in teams, but that's just my opinion. regardless, i am very happy with the ability that it got, knowing how much debating and deliberation there was going on about it!

Ironisaac · « **Reply #676 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:10:25 PM »

Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: Master Q on April 13, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is...

Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.

Everyone, watch out! this man knows what everyone is playing for defenses this year!

SignoftheStar · « **Reply #677 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:10:40 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 13, 2017, 11:59:09 AM

Chamber is a lot better then you think. Unless you think losing Place cards, Weapons and everything else is fine. Or losing everything to a Banish all is fine. It's not the fastest card, but especially with the new Everlasting Beings and the Protection setup that can be run with Heavenly Temple, your better off playing it.

I personally agree. Angels were my everything back in the day, and knowing that in the rare occasion that Michael holding Wheel and Sword got trashed that I could still draw them all back in one draw in a couple of turns was very reassuring. Chambers isn't fast, but it has been a staple in my angel offenses.

And as a result, I almost always used a funny little card that nobody saw coming- Winds.

SignoftheStar · « **Reply #678 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:13:01 PM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on April 13, 2017, 12:10:25 PM

Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: Master Q on April 13, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is...

Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.

Everyone, watch out! this man knows what everyone is playing for defenses this year!

tsk, alright, alright, I'm not a fortune teller any more than anyone else. I'm sorry if that sounded presumptive.
Personally, I've had a lot of trouble running demons myself, and I have never, ever run into a demon offense in a tournament-level Redemption game.
But protection against, at the very very most, 1/7 of blockers in exchange for turning the entire arsenal of silver Enhancements CBN just isn't worth it to me.

The Guardian · « **Reply #679 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:14:05 PM »

Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:06:38 PM

Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.
I would much rather be able to set up an array of silver Enhancements that will run the whole gamut of defenses out there and rest assured that my opponent won't be able to stop them.
Yes, I'm afraid that IS still more impressive to me.

Our goal was to give players a different option for building a Silver offense around Michael. We knew going in that not everyone would switch to the new Michael, and quite frankly we didn't want that to happen. Variety is the spice of life as they say

SignoftheStar · « **Reply #680 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:15:35 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 12, 2017, 07:52:55 PM

The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...

Spoiler (hover to show)

Gabe
I love you.
That made my day.

Quote from: jmhartz on April 12, 2017, 10:15:24 PM

Quote from: Kevinthedude on April 12, 2017, 09:06:12 PM
I'm a bit confused as to how we are defining really really want to. I look forward to an extensive REG entry.

Quote from: The REG
"Want To" Abilities

General Description
A "want to" ability is an ability that allows a player to activate an ability he wants to, or target any number of cards he wants to with a named special ability.

How to Play
When a "want to" ability is activated, its controller chooses a special ability to activate, or chooses any number of targets for a specified ability.

Default Conditions
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose an ability must choose an ability that is currently defined in the REG.
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose any number of targets for a specified ability defaults to play, unless stated otherwise in the specific ability that the "wants to" ability is choosing targets for.

Clarifications
● When naming a special ability of choice, all REG rules that apply to that ability also apply to the "want to" ability.
● The words "really want to" and "really really want to" mean the same as "want to".

Also this.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #681 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:18:22 PM »

Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:13:01 PM

Quote from: Ironisaac on April 13, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: Master Q on April 13, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is...

Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.

Everyone, watch out! this man knows what everyone is playing for defenses this year!

tsk, alright, alright, I'm not a fortune teller any more than anyone else. I'm sorry if that sounded presumptive.
Personally, I've had a lot of trouble running demons myself, and I have never, ever run into a demon offense in a tournament-level Redemption game.
But protection against, at the very very most, 1/7 of blockers in exchange for turning the entire arsenal of silver Enhancements CBN just isn't worth it to me.

well, it doesn't help that demons haven't gotten much stand-alone support for the past three sets. The best support they've gotten is a magician and fearfulness, which is like a 6.5-7/10 imo. but now, demons are a huge threat with like... pretty much all the new orange cards. i personally am considering running a three nails for at least states, just so i can get the lay of the land.

The Guardian · « **Reply #682 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:20:15 PM »

Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to 7 Trumpet Sounders, grab the Trumpet enhancement that crushes your opponent's defense, play first against humans (or be protected if they block with demons), use said Trumpet, win.

Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to The Strong Angel (RoJ), play any Revelation enhancement on TSA, play The Third Seal (WA) off Angel's Sword, win.

There's still a few ways to get CBN power with the new Michael.

SignoftheStar · « **Reply #683 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:25:38 PM »

....Say.
If you put Angel's Sword on The New Strong Angel and he get's blocked by a Human, you could drop TWO Enhancements.

.......

Ooh.
Strong indeed.

I love this set.

Master Q · « **Reply #684 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:27:38 PM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on April 13, 2017, 12:09:12 PM

I love the ends of the earth and the good version of lurking. I think that the ends of the earth will probably be best used in teams, but that's just my opinion. regardless, i am very happy with the ability that it got, knowing how much debating and deliberation there was going on about it!

Indeed, I'm pretty stoked for the final version. And actually, I didn't fully realize the benefit of using "Bible icon card" until some time after that's what it became. Now I just have to somehow rig booster draft so I'll get one...

The Guardian · « **Reply #685 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:28:17 PM »

Quote from: SignoftheStar on April 13, 2017, 12:25:38 PM

....Say.
If you put Angel's Sword on The New Strong Angel and he get's blocked by a Human, you could drop TWO Enhancements.

.......

Ooh.
Strong indeed.

I love this set.

As long as the first enhancement does not cause special initiative, absolutely.

Josh · « **Reply #686 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:53:05 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 13, 2017, 12:20:15 PM

Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to The Strong Angel (RoJ), play any Revelation enhancement on TSA, play The Third Seal (WA) off Angel's Sword, win.

TSA (RoJ) tosses Third Seal (Warriors), probably by design...

Gabe · « **Reply #687 on:** April 13, 2017, 12:55:38 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on April 13, 2017, 12:53:05 PM

Quote from: The Guardian on April 13, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to The Strong Angel (RoJ), play any Revelation enhancement on TSA, play The Third Seal (WA) off Angel's Sword, win.

TSA (RoJ) tosses Third Seal (Warriors), probably by design...

Totally by design.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #688 on:** April 13, 2017, 01:08:43 PM »

Give Justin a little time. The first stage of grief is denial

The Guardian · « **Reply #689 on:** April 13, 2017, 01:28:40 PM »

Fair enough, guess I'll just have to settle with playing it on the 10/8 FBTN version...life just isn't fair sometimes...

Gabe · « **Reply #690 on:** April 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM »

I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #691 on:** April 13, 2017, 02:39:55 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM

I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels.

It's a good way to get The Destroyer when I need to deal with problem characters.

And I haven't said much about the Seals, but I think one of my favorite cards in this set is going to be War, he is Pale Green, can recur 2KHorses (as well as the Orange Weapons if I'm running a Revelationy defense) and can be recurred as a Silver enhancement. The rest of the Horsemen are good, but War is a monster just waiting to be unleashed.

Red Dragon discards Sword of Death or Words of the Accuser to off some random character, bands to Conquer with with I don't know, Every Man's Sword who bands to War with 2kHorses (killing off another character), takes back the Orange Weapon you discarded, then draws to and ends the battle or plays another CBN battle winner.

Or you can just stick to Red Dragon banded to War with 2kHorses and play Dragon's Wrath.

Not to mention Four Horsemen being a very interesting card that I want to play.

I might be working on a Four Horsemen deck in my mind.

I just looked at Sword of Death and the reference says it's Revelation 12:10, but the verse most definitely is not from that reference (I assume it's from somewhere in Chapter 6). You might want to change it.

Gabe · « **Reply #692 on:** April 13, 2017, 02:50:26 PM »

Thanks for catching that reference mismatch! Someone else contacted me
About that also and it has been corrected on the final version.

megamanlan · « **Reply #693 on:** April 13, 2017, 03:33:51 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM

I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels.

I completely forgot about that. The only challenge now is who should keep Wheel when that's done...

The Guardian · « **Reply #694 on:** April 13, 2017, 03:38:56 PM »

Well you'll need to keep Wheel on FLC for a couple turns...

browarod · « **Reply #695 on:** April 13, 2017, 08:26:33 PM »

Quote from: Four_Corners5 on April 13, 2017, 08:23:39 PM

For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?

It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.

Also, just realized your Justice Seekers can discard a lost soul from your own territory.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #696 on:** April 13, 2017, 08:30:16 PM »

Quote from: Browa on April 13, 2017, 08:26:33 PM

Quote from: Four_Corners5 on April 13, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?
It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.

Also, just realized your Justice Seekers can discard a lost soul from your own territory.

I believe we modified that rule last year, unless an ability specifically targets a lost soul you cannot discard them

The Guardian · « **Reply #697 on:** April 13, 2017, 10:15:45 PM »

Justice Seekers is actually getting an update. They will only trigger on evil discard abilities and will only be able to discard evil cards. While it does weaken them on both sides, thematically it did not make sense for them to discard things like New Jerusalem (Site) or Heavenly Temple artifacts.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #698 on:** April 14, 2017, 12:10:13 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on April 13, 2017, 08:30:16 PM

Quote from: Browa on April 13, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: Four_Corners5 on April 13, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?
It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.

Also, just realized your Justice Seekers can discard a lost soul from your own territory.

I believe we modified that rule last year, unless an ability specifically targets a lost soul you cannot discard them

Otherwise, Antediluvians would be the most broken defense in the game!

Watchman · « **Reply #699 on:** April 14, 2017, 09:08:36 PM »

Will the cards from the last Rock of Ages tin (#26), such as Scattered, Foreign Wives, etc. be among the Rock of Ages cards in the RoJ packs?

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Author Topic: Revelation of John - Set List and Information (Read 96878 times)

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