Author Topic: Revelation of John - Set List and Information (Read 99664 times)

Watchman · « **Reply #375 on:** April 03, 2017, 10:19:39 PM »

How come The Four Living Creatures isn't considered a Revelation angel? Is it too generic and Rev angels are more of the angels that dispense God's wrath and such?

megamanlan · « **Reply #376 on:** April 03, 2017, 10:51:16 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on April 03, 2017, 05:31:52 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on April 03, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
I'm still wondering if Angels will be getting any new weapons as we are getting a lot of WC and we only have 1 weapon that's good.

Oh, are you an angel?

In all seriousness, when the 8 offensive colors that you don't play get printed, you mourn the fact that Silver is being neglected. Then when an expansion hits that gives Silver its 15 minutes of fame, you mourn the fact that the cards don't align with how you think they should function.

Your devotion to Silver is blinding you to the best expansions that have ever hit the Redemption scene.

I have played some others, (Namely Blue, Disciples, and a Samuel deck) I just like Silver the best. But don't misunderstand, I absolutely love this set, I'm just interested in learning if Angels will be getting another Weapon that is good or not as there are a LOT of Warrior-Class Angels.

For most cards Im happy just how they are, I just like to find out why a small handful are the way they are.

The Guardian · « **Reply #377 on:** April 04, 2017, 12:33:29 AM »

I think in general the challenge with good weapons is that it's often difficult to make them balanced because they are inherently a "pre-block play first" so often times they end up being a bit on the weaker side. Sword of the Spirit is an obvious exception though even that has some drawbacks due to its multi brigade nature.

For example, we don't necessarily want to create a good weapon that discards any EC, because that just becomes too easy of a territory destruction. Likewise, a good weapon that was a "interrupt, draw 2, play next" (like the evil "Horse" enhancements) becomes incredibly powerful by being played pre-block. We're able to make evil weapons a bit stronger because they are inherently reactive as opposed to the proactive nature of good weapons.

Bottom line--there aren't any good weapons in this set. However, I believe you'll find the versatility of the new silver enhancements to be quite intriguing...

megamanlan · « **Reply #378 on:** April 04, 2017, 12:57:42 AM »

Quote from: Watchman492 on April 03, 2017, 10:19:39 PM

How come The Four Living Creatures isn't considered a Revelation angel? Is it too generic and Rev angels are more of the angels that dispense God's wrath and such?

They were revealed?

browarod · « **Reply #379 on:** April 04, 2017, 01:10:18 AM »

New article is up! Spoiled cards have been added to the list but go check them out in the article for really interesting theme tie-ins!

megamanlan · « **Reply #380 on:** April 04, 2017, 01:13:42 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 04, 2017, 12:33:29 AM

I think in general the challenge with good weapons is that it's often difficult to make them balanced because they are inherently a "pre-block play first" so often times they end up being a bit on the weaker side. Sword of the Spirit is an obvious exception though even that has some drawbacks due to its multi brigade nature.

For example, we don't necessarily want to create a good weapon that discards any EC, because that just becomes too easy of a territory destruction. Likewise, a good weapon that was a "interrupt, draw 2, play next" (like the evil "Horse" enhancements) becomes incredibly powerful by being played pre-block. We're able to make evil weapons a bit stronger because they are inherently reactive as opposed to the proactive nature of good weapons.

Bottom line--there aren't any good weapons in this set. However, I believe you'll find the versatility of the new silver enhancements to be quite intriguing...

I don't mind if they aren't the level of SotS, but maybe something that could be interesting.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #381 on:** April 04, 2017, 01:48:01 PM »

Does anyone have any ideas when the new card set will be available to buy on Cactus game design website?? Mid May , beginning of June???

Ironisaac · « **Reply #382 on:** April 04, 2017, 01:50:24 PM »

I think there was another thread where this was discussed and mid to late may was the date they were shooting for i believe. it could have been late april to early may though, i don't remember. regardless, it will be out some time in may.

browarod · « **Reply #383 on:** April 04, 2017, 02:04:35 PM »

I believe May was the target to give people several months to try the new cards before Nats.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #384 on:** April 04, 2017, 02:18:36 PM »

Will you be able to use the cards in the tournaments before Nationals? And how about the reserve when can we start using that?

The Guardian · « **Reply #385 on:** April 04, 2017, 02:20:22 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on April 04, 2017, 02:18:36 PM

Will you be able to use the cards in the tournaments before Nationals? And how about the reserve when can we start using that?

I'm fairly certain the Reserve will be legal on the date that Revelation of John is made legal.

Xonathan · « **Reply #386 on:** April 04, 2017, 03:28:57 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 04, 2017, 02:20:22 PM

Quote from: Jeremystair on April 04, 2017, 02:18:36 PM
Will you be able to use the cards in the tournaments before Nationals? And how about the reserve when can we start using that?

I'm fairly certain the Reserve will be legal on the date that Revelation of John is made legal.

Can you check in different reserves for the same deck?

The Guardian · « **Reply #387 on:** April 04, 2017, 05:31:07 PM »

I don't think that's been officially discussed, but I'm fairly confident that the answer will be no. The Reserve is already adding a layer of complexity for tournament hosts who need to check decks, so I don't see us going that direction and further complicating things.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #388 on:** April 04, 2017, 05:44:34 PM »

What about promos? Are they legal at the tournament you get them at?

Gabe · « **Reply #389 on:** April 04, 2017, 05:46:56 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on April 04, 2017, 05:44:34 PM

What about promos? Are they legal at the tournament you get them at?

The rules for promos hasn't changed.

browarod · « **Reply #390 on:** April 04, 2017, 05:55:54 PM »

Here's some stats and deductions from the list so far!

-We've seen 52/129 cards. 15 rares (one of which is ultra) and 37 commons.
-We've only seen 2 Seals so far, Fourth and Seventh, so presumably the other 5 are outstanding. GEs? Arts? GE/ECs?
-Card #22 is in between 2 lost souls so we can assume there's another soul yet to be revealed.
-The set will have at least 8 artifacts (including covenants) given Golden Censer is #6 and Seventh Seal is #13, and more if there are covenants or curses between that and the New Jerusalem|Bride of Christ card (though some of those are likely fortresses). That's a lot of artifacts!
--There may be additional artifacts before Censer as well seeing as they are the second card type in order after Dominants (going off how CoW was ordered). So either we have 4 additional dominants coming or some combination of additional doms and arts.
-There will be at least 1 more site (card #18). Maybe another site/character?
-There are no mono-white enhancements in the set, The Woman with Child is followed immediately by Kings of the Earth.

The Guardian · « **Reply #391 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:01:22 PM »

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so presumably the other 5 are outstanding

I mean personally I feel like 4th and 7th are pretty outstanding too, but...oh wait...

GreatGray · « **Reply #392 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:08:30 PM »

For The Fourth Seal/Death, the identifier says "Symbolic character is territory class". For some reason symbolic character is territory class bothers me, I feel like it should say "Symbolic character as territory class". Idk if that makes sense but it's what went through my mind.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #393 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:34:57 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 04, 2017, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on April 04, 2017, 05:44:34 PM
What about promos? Are they legal at the tournament you get them at?

The rules for promos hasn't changed.

~~What are the rules for promos again lol?~~

Remembered that they are legal for the tournament you get them at.

Xonathan · « **Reply #394 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:42:03 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 04, 2017, 05:31:07 PM

I don't think that's been officially discussed, but I'm fairly confident that the answer will be no. The Reserve is already adding a layer of complexity for tournament hosts who need to check decks, so I don't see us going that direction and further complicating things.

aww, I was hoping that I could have three reserves each with Haman's plot so I don't have to have three identical decks lol

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #395 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:47:28 AM »

The link for John, the Apocalyptist is broken - his name is unnecessarily attached to the end of the link.

Will hand size be defined somewhere? Does the reduction apply to the maximum hand size (16) as well as the end of turn hand size (

?

The Guardian · « **Reply #396 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:52:20 AM »

Quote from: REG

How to Play
A change hand size ability targets the player and alters their maximum end-turn hand size allowed, which is 8 by
game rule. It can set the new maximum to a specific card count or increase or decrease the maximum. No matter
the change, this only refers to the size of a hand at the end of that particular player’s Discard Phase.
A change hand size ability is ongoing

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #397 on:** April 05, 2017, 02:15:39 AM »

Well, I feel stupid - I knew that entry was there, and completely skipped it looking for a description.

Further in that entry:

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If the change hand size ability does not indicate that it increases or decreases maximum end-turn hand by a particular amount, but rather gives a new maximum, then it sets that maximum as the new hand size, regardless of any other change hand size abilities which may already be in effect.

Does this mean Tables of the Law and Death and Hades override Death, or does it depend on which was active first?

megamanlan · « **Reply #398 on:** April 05, 2017, 02:40:49 AM »

I have to ask: Do the Four Living Creatures count as Cherubim? (The article didn't make it clear if they were or not)

The Guardian · « **Reply #399 on:** April 05, 2017, 02:56:20 AM »

Cherubim is not an identifier, so no.

While it's possible The Four Living Creatures are the same as Cherubim, for gameplay purposes they are different characters.

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