Author Topic: Revelation of John - Set List and Information (Read 97103 times)

megamanlan · « **Reply #325 on:** April 01, 2017, 10:44:42 AM »

Quote from: Four_Corners5 on April 01, 2017, 09:43:38 AM

They might not just want to get into a debate on what depicts Satan or have to explain all of the cards that depict Satan. It's the Dragon's Wrath technically, not Wrath of Satan.

The Dragon is Satan though... Besides, wouldn't you want a powerful card that KoT can play?

Gabe · « **Reply #326 on:** April 01, 2017, 11:05:05 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 01, 2017, 09:34:13 AM

Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?

The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.

If we did want such a powerful card to have a broader CBN we would not use "depicts". We've moved away from that in special abilities because it's subjective and requires a lot of work to go through old cards and upkeep the REG entry.

browarod · « **Reply #327 on:** April 01, 2017, 11:08:39 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 01, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

Quote from: megamanlan on April 01, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?

The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.

If we did want such a powerful card to have a broader CBN we would not use "depicts". We've moved away from that in special abilities because it's subjective and requires a lot of work to go through old cards and upkeep the REG entry.

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Daniel · « **Reply #328 on:** April 01, 2017, 11:36:07 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 01, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

Quote from: megamanlan on April 01, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?

The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.

You guys should really have reconsidered making a Revelation-themed set without megamanlan's approval

Master Q · « **Reply #329 on:** April 01, 2017, 12:14:00 PM »

Quote from: spacy32 on April 01, 2017, 10:18:44 AM

Quote from: wyatt_marcum on April 01, 2017, 03:37:50 AM
this humble soul is a joke, right? since you added the rarity too(I said hopefully)? You had said ya'll hadn't decided on rarities yet.

Not to mention the fact that they usually keep the card types in number order in the sets and the other ones they revealed are 24 and 26 I think and this one is 41 so yeah I will say this ones fake

The number 41 is also a giveaway (4/1).

I was going to spoil a few cards today, but seeing as I don't actually have permission, I can post the one card I feel is within my rights to spoil.

Granted, this is the only version I have available to show off. I don't know the set number (probably around Behemoth) and this is just the image I made after it was finalized, so expect the background to have that shiny look:

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I was lucky it was somewhat in-theme.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #330 on:** April 01, 2017, 12:56:54 PM »

If that's the finalized ability that seems amazingly strong for an EC. Discard the opposing Hero with no condition like similar abilities (Doeg needs Saul in play, etc), it negates so it still wins the battle against two banded Heros and its even going to be CBN a decent amount of the time. Also as my friend and I have discovered from playing around with animals even a vanilla 12/12 animal can win battles on its own since a surprising number of battle winners don't target them. It seems like this potentially could be run in literally every deck regardless of whether it has any brigades in common with your actual defense or not.

mr_awesome · « **Reply #331 on:** April 01, 2017, 01:15:39 PM »

Wouldn't it be a beast

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #332 on:** April 01, 2017, 02:06:18 PM »

Quote from: mr_awesome on April 01, 2017, 01:15:39 PM

Wouldn't it be a beast

Beasts are demons.

The Guardian · « **Reply #333 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:48:01 AM »

FYI, I split off the discussion regarding "who was Job's accuser?" and moved it to Open Discussion. Perfectly fine to have that discussion, but wanted to keep this thread for information about the new set.

The Schaefer · « **Reply #334 on:** April 02, 2017, 03:30:28 AM »

Quote from: Kevinthedude on April 01, 2017, 12:56:54 PM

If that's the finalized ability that seems amazingly strong for an EC. Discard the opposing Hero with no condition like similar abilities (Doeg needs Saul in play, etc), it negates so it still wins the battle against two banded Heros and its even going to be CBN a decent amount of the time. Also as my friend and I have discovered from playing around with animals even a vanilla 12/12 animal can win battles on its own since a surprising number of battle winners don't target them. It seems like this potentially could be run in literally every deck regardless of whether it has any brigades in common with your actual defense or not.

Provided this is a real spoil, the spoiled version doesn't look completely finalized. The identifier is inaccurate for 1. (Leviathan is Male) Ability wise it does seem very strong but it is leviathan so it should be. I'm sure the playtesters have made the finalized version balanced enough for the game with RoJs release. The excitement is real though.

Gabe · « **Reply #335 on:** April 02, 2017, 07:51:36 AM »

Now that April 1st is over I'll say this - the "humble" soul SA and title are not real and there is only one 12/12 animal in the set.

Watchman · « **Reply #336 on:** April 02, 2017, 10:30:59 AM »

I was wondering why the card art from the Warriors version of Frog Demons wasn't chosen over the juggling frogs art. Is there no longer a contract with Jamison Services?

Gabe · « **Reply #337 on:** April 02, 2017, 10:46:49 AM »

Quote from: Watchman492 on April 02, 2017, 10:30:59 AM

I was wondering why the card art from the Warriors version of Frog Demons wasn't chosen over the juggling frogs art. Is there no longer a contract with Jamison Services?

Good question!

There a lot of Jamison Services art that is really good and accurately portrays the description given in scripture. We didn't feel that the depiction of Frog Demons is one of those.

A) Revelation says that one frog came out of the Dragon, one from the Beast from the Sea, and one from the False Prophet, but the art shows all 3 coming out of the mouth of the dragon.

B) The dragon is referring to the Red Dragon, but they colored the dragon green.

As silly as they are, we felt the jester frogs from the promo version was the better of the two pieces we had to choose from.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #338 on:** April 02, 2017, 11:32:34 AM »

Why does the New Jerusalem site/hero search for New Jerusalem in reserve when you can't have dominants in reserve?

Gabe · « **Reply #339 on:** April 02, 2017, 11:49:24 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on April 02, 2017, 11:32:34 AM

Why does the New Jerusalem site/hero search for New Jerusalem in reserve when you can't have dominants in reserve?

Dominants cannot start in your reserve but there are ways to get them there. Also, in Type 2 you can have a second copy of the New Jerusalem Site in your Reserve.

Watchman · « **Reply #340 on:** April 02, 2017, 11:53:00 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 02, 2017, 10:46:49 AM

Quote from: Watchman492 on April 02, 2017, 10:30:59 AM
I was wondering why the card art from the Warriors version of Frog Demons wasn't chosen over the juggling frogs art. Is there no longer a contract with Jamison Services?

Good question!

There a lot of Jamison Services art that is really good and accurately portrays the description given in scripture. We didn't feel that the depiction of Frog Demons is one of those.

A) Revelation says that one frog came out of the Dragon, one from the Beast from the Sea, and one from the False Prophet, but the art shows all 3 coming out of the mouth of the dragon.

B) The dragon is referring to the Red Dragon, but they colored the dragon green.

As silly as they are, we felt the jester frogs from the promo version was the better of the two pieces we had to choose from.

So frogs juggling orbs is more biblically accurate when compared to the other picture?

I know my opinion ultimately doesn't matter in this situation but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the elder team on their choice. I've always felt (and others I know mentioned it too) that this art was always silly and takes away from the imagery of the scripture. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with this picture being it...

megamanlan · « **Reply #341 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on April 01, 2017, 11:36:07 AM

Quote from: Gabe on April 01, 2017, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: megamanlan on April 01, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?

The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.

You guys should really have reconsidered making a Revelation-themed set without megamanlan's approval

That may be in part that I came back too late to this game for that. But I'll have fun with it regardless.

The Guardian · « **Reply #342 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:17:00 PM »

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So frogs juggling orbs is more biblically accurate when compared to the other picture? I know my opinion ultimately doesn't matter in this situation but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the elder team on their choice. I've always felt (and others I know mentioned it too) that this art was always silly and takes away from the imagery of the scripture. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with this picture being it...

That's fair and to be honest, sometimes we as the playtest team don't always agree on what the best art choice is at first, and we have to spend some time discussing the options.

For this particular example, we looked at what we actually could understand from Revelation--the fact that the three frogs came from the mouths of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet, which is notrepresented by the WA art. While the Carroll piece might have some "silliness" to it, I think it also has a lot of symbolism, which is very fitting for a Revelation piece of art.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #343 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:18:31 PM »

Need to get the rights to this picture it would be awesome on a card

Here's the artist Justinen Creative. He has a few good pieces of Revelation art that would be awesome on cards!
http://www.goodsalt.com/details/jcgas0114.html

Like this red dragon!

megamanlan · « **Reply #344 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:18:51 PM »

I would also add that when I was looking for art for them, its hard because there really isn't much art for the Frog Demons... at least not much I could find.

Daniel · « **Reply #345 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:34:38 PM »

Am I the only one who likes the jester demon artwork?

The Guardian · « **Reply #346 on:** April 02, 2017, 12:38:03 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on April 02, 2017, 12:34:38 PM

Am I the only one who likes the jester demon artwork?

I like it--when I mentioned the playtest team sometimes disagreeing on art, this wasn't one of those pieces. We definitely agreed it was the best choice and I'm glad we'll finally have that art on a playable version of Frog Demons.

Master Q · « **Reply #347 on:** April 02, 2017, 01:04:30 PM »

Quote from: The Schaefer on April 02, 2017, 03:30:28 AM

Quote from: Kevinthedude on April 01, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
If that's the finalized ability that seems amazingly strong for an EC. Discard the opposing Hero with no condition like similar abilities (Doeg needs Saul in play, etc), it negates so it still wins the battle against two banded Heros and its even going to be CBN a decent amount of the time. Also as my friend and I have discovered from playing around with animals even a vanilla 12/12 animal can win battles on its own since a surprising number of battle winners don't target them. It seems like this potentially could be run in literally every deck regardless of whether it has any brigades in common with your actual defense or not.
Provided this is a real spoil, the spoiled version doesn't look completely finalized. The identifier is inaccurate for 1. (Leviathan is Male) Ability wise it does seem very strong but it is leviathan so it should be. I'm sure the playtesters have made the finalized version balanced enough for the game with RoJs release. The excitement is real though.

Seems I hooked some fishes.

Quote from: Gabe on April 02, 2017, 07:51:36 AM

Now that April 1st is over I'll say this - the "humble" soul SA and title are not real and there is only one 12/12 animal in the set.

I was really considering making some version of Leviathan early on, but I did go a different direction. After all, if a certain Leviathan enthusiast wins a category next Nats, he'll have no card to create if Leviathan isn't an option.

Around December, when I made the Days o' Creation cards, I thought of doing an April Fool's prank where I'd "spoil" the 3 winner cards. I didn't know what they all were at the time, so I thought of making them obscure, obviously joke cards. Ultimately, I decided against it when I saw previews of the set at the T2 only, and realized, "Hey, those are actually cards in the set!" They weren't the Nats winner created cards, but cards in the set nevertheless. What a weird coincidence...

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #348 on:** April 02, 2017, 01:10:36 PM »

I like the frog demons art they're so cute and cuddly

However, not so cute when they start banding...

Watchman · « **Reply #349 on:** April 02, 2017, 01:24:26 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on April 02, 2017, 12:17:00 PM

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So frogs juggling orbs is more biblically accurate when compared to the other picture? I know my opinion ultimately doesn't matter in this situation but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the elder team on their choice. I've always felt (and others I know mentioned it too) that this art was always silly and takes away from the imagery of the scripture. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with this picture being it...

That's fair and to be honest, sometimes we as the playtest team don't always agree on what the best art choice is at first, and we have to spend some time discussing the options.

For this particular example, we looked at what we actually could understand from Revelation--the fact that the three frogs came from the mouths of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet, which is notrepresented by the WA art. While the Carroll piece might have some "silliness" to it, I think it also has a lot of symbolism, which is very fitting for a Revelation piece of art.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's hard to find that image depicted in artwork that's available for print for the game. I also understand that the elder team has to make the best decision based upon what's available to you guys. I truly appreciate all that the team does--volunteering countless hours of development and play testing, commitment overall to the game, etc.--I just wanted to express what I've thought all along concerning that particular artwork, as well as what others' thoughts in talk that's come up regarding it. Just my two cents on it. I still think we should go with the demonic Kermit for the card art.

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Author Topic: Revelation of John - Set List and Information (Read 97103 times)

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