Author Topic: Tournament Style (Read 23198 times)

lp670sv · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:53:59 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 04:49:57 PM

I, however, declare that my Jacob's Ladder lets me choose to tap the 3-liner, and I then bury it.

DoN for the Win! Err for the loss!

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:00:41 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 03:53:41 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 17, 2012, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 12:09:32 PM
as soon as Jonathan Greeson shows up at a tournament, I pretty much relegate myself to competing for second. In this way it would be best for me to throw my first game and work up from there.
The two problems with this are that you are completely throwing away any chance you have of placing 1st (and believe me, Greeson can be beat). The second is that you are risking that if you have a bad draw later in the tournament and lose another game, you don't place at all.
....Which is exactly what happened.

Greeson's undefeated since I joined the ranks of WNY. Irish_Luck's making a championship belt for the first player to beat him.

So in other words, if I want to pull an Aaron Rodgers discount double check belt move, I should fly to a NY tourney and beat up on Greeson?

lp670sv · « **Reply #27 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:02:40 PM »

If you think you can beat him then you are more than welcome to try, though I would not spend that much money on anything less than a regional tourney

Professoralstad · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:06:06 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on January 17, 2012, 05:00:41 PM

So in other words, if I want to pull an Aaron Rodgers discount double choke belt move, I should fly to a NY tourney and beat up on Greeson?

FTFY. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, I know the Vikings were 3-13. But still. Ahaha.

STAMP · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on January 17, 2012, 05:06:06 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on January 17, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
So in other words, if I want to pull an Aaron Rodgers discount double choke belt move, I should fly to a NY tourney and beat up on Greeson?

FTFY. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, I know the Vikings were 3-13. But still. Ahaha.

I bow to thy wit.

soul seeker · « **Reply #30 on:** January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on January 17, 2012, 05:00:41 PM

Greeson's undefeated since I joined the ranks of WNY. Irish_Luck's making a championship belt for the first player to beat him.

So in other words, if I want to pull an Aaron Rodgers discount double check belt move, I should fly to a NY tourney and beat up on Greeson?
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Coming from the person who has played every other category but mine to avoid defeat at last MW Regionals.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 04:33:48 PM

Last time I played Soul Seeker I beat him 5-0 in 1 turn.

You may be Gabe's nemesis but you're not mine. For those who don't know...Sauce is kidding...we have never met nor played Redemption versus each other.

Also, I appreciate the kind words from lp and kittens though (I perceive)* others (because of my personal grumpiness)* don't think as highly of me.

*EDITed to highlight that I am human and was wrong for stating the above statement.

lp670sv · « **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2012, 06:01:17 PM »

I think the whole 5 souls in one turn thing gave sauce's joke away....

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** January 17, 2012, 06:18:33 PM »

You're arguably the best in the NE region, Greeson. I commented to RDT yesterday that I might have a shot at the NE regionals this year since you usually play T2. By the way, I need to play you in T2 soon.

DDiceRC · « **Reply #33 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:07:38 PM »

The tournament format isn't likely to change as long as Rob has final say (which means ever). The Redemption tournament system has always been designated a "fellowship tournament," and the competitive aspect has been reduced in favor of giving everyone a chance to have a good time.

If someone wants a really hard-nosed competition, there's nothing preventing them from running a tournament outside the Cactus system with whatever rules, formats, and cutoffs they want to make. However, I suspect that this will fall prey to what I find too often in church settings, where someone says that "the church ought to be doing something," but what they really mean is "somebody else in the church ought to be doing something."

However, it would be pretty cool if someone (by which I mean "someone else"

) had the resources, time, and tournament expertise to run a "professional" circuit. I wouldn't compete in it (because I'm pretty lame outside of Booster), but if the prize were big enough you could get a lot of players who would like to try to prove they're the best.

lp670sv · « **Reply #34 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »

If Rob Anderson would allow it, it'd be willing to give it a shot (that is if SomeKittens would assist me with the hosting)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #35 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:17:23 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM

You may be Gabe's nemesis but you're not mine. For those who don't know...Sauce is kidding...we have never met nor played Redemption versus each other.

Actually, I'm not kidding. We've played one game over RTS. You were using an illegal deck that you claimed was unbeatable. I won 5-0 in 1 turn.

Now, perhaps my deck was illegal too... but that shouldn't matter. Even playing field.

EDIT: Found the thread

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/rtsonline-play/the-ultimate-redemption-deck-gtthere-is-none-better/

soul seeker · « **Reply #36 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:22:23 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 07:17:23 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
You may be Gabe's nemesis but you're not mine. For those who don't know...Sauce is kidding...we have never met nor played Redemption versus each other.
Actually, I'm not kidding. We've played one game over RTS. You were using an illegal deck that you claimed was unbeatable. I won 5-0 in 1 turn.

Now, perhaps my deck was illegal too...

I completely forgot about that!

Okay...maybe I was wrong.

We did play 1 game and Sauce is right and he beat me in one turn 5-0.

(in which your illegal deck was better than my illegal deck.)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #37 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM

though others don't think as highly of me.

It just occurred to me that this might have been directed toward me, and might indicate a misperception. Just in case, let me go on record as saying that I actually think VERY highly of you as a player, and in case you're wondering, that does include thinking that you are better at Redemption than I am. However, I have beaten you before on occasion, and don't consider you (or anyone else) unbeatable.

More importantly, I think VERY highly of you as a Christian brother, and I am glad to call you my friend

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:29:23 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 17, 2012, 08:24:30 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
though others don't think as highly of me.
It just occurred to me that this might have been directed toward me, and might indicate a misperception. Just in case, let me go on record as saying that I actually think VERY highly of you as a player, and in case you're wondering, that does include thinking that you are better at Redemption than I am. However, I have beaten you before on occasion, and don't consider you (or anyone else) unbeatable.

More importantly, I think VERY highly of you as a Christian brother, and I am glad to call you my friend

D'AAAAAAWWWWWW.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #39 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:57:04 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 07:11:16 PM

If Rob Anderson would allow it, it'd be willing to give it a shot (that is if SomeKittens would assist me with the hosting)

A professional circuit would be interesting, but the prize money would have to be far more than I've got.

lp670sv · « **Reply #40 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:58:50 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 08:57:04 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
If Rob Anderson would allow it, it'd be willing to give it a shot (that is if SomeKittens would assist me with the hosting)
A professional circuit would be interesting, but the prize money would have to be far more than I've got.

Obviously people would have to pay to get in to the tournaments until it got big enough for sponsorship.

soul seeker · « **Reply #41 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:02:13 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 17, 2012, 08:24:30 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on January 17, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
though others don't think as highly of me.
It just occurred to me that this might have been directed toward me, and might indicate a misperception. Just in case, let me go on record as saying that I actually think VERY highly of you as a player, and in case you're wondering, that does include thinking that you are better at Redemption than I am. However, I have beaten you before on occasion, and don't consider you (or anyone else) unbeatable.

More importantly, I think VERY highly of you as a Christian brother, and I am glad to call you my friend

Yes, I took exception to the "believe me" maybe it's the weather around here, lack of sleep, or pride, but those 2 words stung a little. I apologize for my grumpiness and will strive to do better. Thanks for the kind words despite my poor attitude earlier today.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #42 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:22:12 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 08:58:50 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
If Rob Anderson would allow it, it'd be willing to give it a shot (that is if SomeKittens would assist me with the hosting)
A professional circuit would be interesting, but the prize money would have to be far more than I've got.

Obviously people would have to pay to get in to the tournaments until it got big enough for sponsorship.

I don't think we've got a big enough playerbase. There's a Chicken/Egg thing going on with the size of the playerbase increasing with large, awesome tournaments, and large, awesome tournaments required to increase the size of the playerbase.

lp670sv · « **Reply #43 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:27:22 PM »

Well if one has to come before the other, maybe the big tourneys have to come first.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #44 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:32:58 PM »

The egg came first.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #45 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:36:05 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 09:27:22 PM

Well if one has to come before the other, maybe the big tourneys have to come first.

And that requires an investment. Cactus isn't in a place where it can take large financial bets.

lp670sv · « **Reply #46 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:38:43 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 09:36:05 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
Well if one has to come before the other, maybe the big tourneys have to come first.
And that requires an investment. Cactus isn't in a place where it can take large financial bets.

I think we'd have to prove this could work before cactus would think about sanctioning it anyway. We invest our own time, and only move forward if we can cover costs or come really really close.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #47 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:48:38 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 09:22:12 PM

I don't think we've got a big enough playerbase.

I think this is key. If you want people to come to a tournament BECAUSE of the prizes, then the money's got to be at least enough to cover the expense of getting there (which means hundreds of dollars), and there's got to be at least enough people who think they have a chance to win to pay for it.

Realistically, multiple people on this very thread have already admitted that they feel like it is impossible to beat one player in their own region. Would they really pay big bucks to play in a tournament that they believe from the start that they don't have a chance to recoup their investment. And if only players of Greeson's caliber or higher are willing to play, then you've got a very small number of players.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #48 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:51:44 PM »

An interesting way to promote it would be that very lack of players. Go to MTG/other TCG players and say "Hey! There's this big tournament with a gigantic prize, and it's totally easy to win!"

lp670sv · « **Reply #49 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:57:18 PM »

At larger tournaments I may never play Jonathan. Jonathan is the only player that I really don't want to play right now, not only is he a much better player than me but I just have no luck against him (i.e. him getting a card that negates all drawing and is nearly impossible for me to target off the draw in our root game a few months ago. Gardenciples are pretty amateur when they can't draw) I'd at least want a shot at some other top players. You're also discounting the power of the ego, and the will to prove that you CAN beat those people. Someday, I do want to play Jonathan again. But I've been mostly out of Redemption for almost 6 months now, I'm not ready to take him on again. I played 7 games not including booster draft and got owned in all 7 using the same deck that I used before and could beat anybody but Randall and Jonathan on a regular basis, and I OCCASIONALLY (key word) beat Randall with it. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. Someday I do want another shot at Jonathan but if I can't even compete with Bret (no offense intended) Jonathan would 5-0 me every game.

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Author Topic: Tournament Style (Read 23198 times)

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