Author Topic: Rule changes discussion (Specifically hand limit) (Read 17230 times)

The Guardian · « **Reply #50 on:** August 05, 2009, 12:52:13 AM »

You are very much correct about the overcomplicating things deal (ask your dad about the Protection of Angels vs Twelve Fingered Giant discussion

) It is a trial run though, so I while I'm not entirely in support of it could end up being good for the game overall.

Reggie Flores · « **Reply #51 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:00:08 AM »

<--------- disgusted right now.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #52 on:** August 05, 2009, 02:43:38 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 04, 2009, 08:08:22 PM

What ruling is this? What'd I miss...?

I'm with Lamborghini. What did we miss? I haven't heard until just now that the playtesters are considering adding a limit to the number of cards you can draw.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #53 on:** August 05, 2009, 03:07:43 AM »

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on August 05, 2009, 02:43:38 AM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 04, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
What ruling is this? What'd I miss...?

I'm with Lamborghini. What did we miss? I haven't heard until just now that the playtesters are considering adding a limit to the number of cards you can draw.

Not considering, it's officially instated until December.

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Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #54 on:** August 05, 2009, 03:14:07 AM »

I like the changes for the most part. What I think people are missing is that these rules are only in effect until December and on a trial basis: if they obviously suck like some people are saying they will, then they'll go away. Simple as that. Play with it for four months.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #55 on:** August 05, 2009, 03:16:40 AM »

I support these new rulings whole-heartedly even though it means I can't use the deck I was going to be using.

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #56 on:** August 05, 2009, 03:19:12 AM »

Was that the super-secret GoH combo of yours?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #57 on:** August 05, 2009, 04:01:28 AM »

Nah, that combo is going to get ruled against too quickly for me to rely on.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #58 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:34:41 AM »

Lol, good call.

My opinion on the hand limit rule: I think it should be 18 (I think that's a clean number: to be able to draw +10 from your original hand.) with the exception of the draw phase like Justin proposed.

Sean · « **Reply #59 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:40:20 AM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 04, 2009, 11:20:25 PM

When was the last time a Speed deck won nationals

Type 2 2-Player of 2009
Type 1 multi player of 2008 and 2007

There's probably others I'm missing. Fact is speed is the dominant strategy right now and it isn't just because people complain about it.

I don't like exceptions. Make the hand limit a solid number no matter what. Cut and dry, clear as crystal. No arguments.

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BubbleBoy · « **Reply #60 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:44:06 AM »

Didn't Lightningninja win T1-MP this year with a speed deck?

EDIT: Yes, in fact here it is.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #61 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:00:58 AM »

Speed is the dominant strategy because so many people play it, not necessarily because it is the best.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #62 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:03:37 AM »

And because it's relatively easy to build.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #63 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:04:18 AM »

If by esay to build you mean easy to get off internet decklists, then yes.

Sean · « **Reply #64 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:19:37 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 05, 2009, 11:00:58 AM

Speed is the dominant strategy because so many people play it, not necessarily because it is the best.

If it wasn't strong people wouldn't play it at high level tournaments. "Because everyone uses it" is not what makes it dominant. The fact that it is strong and leads to many tournament wins is what makes it dominant.

Korunks · « **Reply #65 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:24:52 AM »

Well other than the damage caused to Speed in general, does anyone see any other negative impacts of this rule change?

Sean · « **Reply #66 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:25:48 AM »

I don't see any negative effects at all. Speed gets nerfed a little bit? That's positive in my opinion.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #67 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:35:28 AM »

I am not denying it's quality. There are plenty of really good decks though. Speed is dominant because it is the one that is played.

Sean · « **Reply #68 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:38:17 AM »

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I am not denying it's quality. There are plenty of really good decks though. Speed is dominant because it is the one that is played.

Saying that it is dominant because everyone uses it is denying its quality. The reason people use it is because of its quality. Its quality is what makes it dominant, not that so many people use it.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #69 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:51:12 AM »

I'd disagree there. So many people use it because they think it is the only thing that wins, or because Gabe or Justin or whoever won with it.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #70 on:** August 05, 2009, 12:26:21 PM »

I like having a hand limit of 16 cards. I would prefer the limit to be "double whatever you have to discard down to" because it makes cards like Tables of the Law, and Death & Hades more interesting. But I think it will be a great thing to test out for a few months.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #71 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 05, 2009, 12:26:21 PM

I like having a hand limit of 16 cards. I would prefer the limit to be "double whatever you have to discard down to" because it makes cards like Tables of the Law, and Death & Hades more interesting. But I think it will be a great thing to test out for a few months.

It should definitely be 20 for Tables. It might actually make TotL be added to some new decks!

Gabe · « **Reply #72 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:36:32 PM »

I like the idea of a set number for hand size. Allow it to fluctuate based on other cards makes it harder to keep track of and leads to other messy situations.

I can also tell you that Cactus is not trying to kill speed. I played T1-MP at Nationals and had the pleasure of being paired at a table with Rob "I am Cactus Games" Anderson. He was playing his own version of a speed deck. That's right folks. Rob Anderson plays speed.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #73 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:59:43 PM »

So the hand limit is always 16, then? Not double your hand limit (like with Tables of the Law)?

Korunks · « **Reply #74 on:** August 05, 2009, 02:02:38 PM »

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I can also tell you that Cactus is not trying to kill speed. I played T1-MP at Nationals and had the pleasure of being paired at a table with Rob "I am Cactus Games" Anderson. He was playing his own version of a speed deck. That's right folks. Rob Anderson plays speed. Grin

If that isn't the reason, I wonder what is?

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