Author Topic: Rochester, NY Tournaments (Read 51842 times)

lp670sv · « **Reply #275 on:** February 18, 2012, 12:05:13 AM »

I meant getting the best deal possible. Calm down ya'll

Tom Bombadil · « **Reply #276 on:** February 18, 2012, 04:07:35 PM »

Hey Rob you going to Jon's tournament? If so I would also be interested in seeing what sleeves you have for sale, I need some for a type 2 deck

robm · « **Reply #277 on:** February 18, 2012, 06:46:50 PM »

yes i will be there

i have 20 or so of those deals. Then i also have 100 with a deck case for $6.

robm · « **Reply #278 on:** February 23, 2012, 02:29:07 PM »

jonathan,

looks like my wife and cousin will both be coming with us, along with my 4 month old son.

lp670sv · « **Reply #279 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:29:19 PM »

Jonathan would you happen to have any extra decks, either T1 or T2 that I could borrow tomorrow? I don't have a deck built for tourney play...or a deck at all. I don't even care if it's just a starter deck you have laying around, just so I have something to do other than selling tomorrow.

soul seeker · « **Reply #280 on:** February 25, 2012, 07:39:01 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on February 25, 2012, 06:29:19 PM

Jonathan would you happen to have any extra decks, either T1 or T2 that I could borrow tomorrow? I don't have a deck built for tourney play...or a deck at all. I don't even care if it's just a starter deck you have laying around, just so I have something to do other than selling tomorrow.

Hey Alec,
I will see what I can dig up. I have to finish working on my decks tonight. So I will keep you in mind.

lp670sv · « **Reply #281 on:** February 25, 2012, 08:33:38 PM »

Thanks, and can I get the address as well? I'm pretty sure I remember how to get there but just in case

soul seeker · « **Reply #282 on:** February 25, 2012, 08:52:11 PM »

Address of Church:
8137 Main St.
Little Genesee, NY 14754

robm · « **Reply #283 on:** February 25, 2012, 11:22:22 PM »

I may have extras if not. Even have sleeved starters i could bring

SomeKittens · « **Reply #284 on:** February 27, 2012, 12:02:42 AM »

Sorry I couldn't make it today, hope fun was had by all.

In other news, I went to John M.'s district out in MA, was in first place going into the final round, where a former national champion (Tim Mierzdfhousxkiii) kicks my butt and sends my score into the pits (sound familiar?). Guess it's time to find a new hobby.

lp670sv · « **Reply #285 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:39:18 AM »

The girl that ended up playing Jonathan last could not place at all, regardless of differential, unless she won the game (so you know, she couldn't place at all) because her first game ended with a time out win so any one of the 4 people behind her needed only win their game to leap frog her. Broken system is broken and bias against pizza. (she timed out her first game because she got up to get a slice of pizza mid game)

robm · « **Reply #286 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:51:42 AM »

its not nessarly broken because she still would have come in second if she did not delay her first game with pizza.

but since she did I got to come in second and i did loss to jonathan in round three.

@ Randall, I have 17 packs of those 50 sleeves for sale still at $2 and 6 deck boxes with 100 sleeves in them for $6.

Is there a time i could come to roberts, maybe when your group meets to sell you as many as you want.

lp670sv · « **Reply #287 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:58:01 AM »

I just don't like the idea of a person going from the top 2 to not placing because they lost the championship game. It makes no sense and is not done like that in any other form of competition I can think of.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #288 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:09:17 AM »

Quote from: robm on February 27, 2012, 07:51:42 AM

@ Randall, I have 17 packs of those 50 sleeves for sale still at $2 and 6 deck boxes with 100 sleeves in them for $6.

Is there a time i could come to roberts, maybe when your group meets to sell you as many as you want.

We meet Friday nights at 6:30. When would you plan on coming?

robm · « **Reply #289 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:47:07 AM »

i think i work this friday but should be able 2 come the next friday if you want

SomeKittens · « **Reply #290 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:53:41 AM »

PM sent with my contact info. That'd be great!

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #291 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:13:37 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on February 27, 2012, 07:58:01 AM

I just don't like the idea of a person going from the top 2 to not placing because they lost the championship game. It makes no sense and is not done like that in any other form of competition I can think of.

What makes no sense is to only look at the last game of a tournament instead of the overall event. Sure she was in the championship game, but that 1 game doesn't reflect the whole tournament. Overall, she timed out a game due to pizza (not impressive) and played weaker opponents all the way to the top because of it, and then when finally playing tough competition got beat.

Compare that to someone who won their games at the beginning and therefore played tougher competition to get the chance to be beat by the same person (Jon) but then came back from that defeat to win the rest of their games.

I don't think anyone could look at the overall tournaments of those 2 players and argue that the 2nd player doesn't deserve to rank higher than pizza girl.

P.S. I'm not trying to be too hard on whoever pizza girl is. I had a player in my playgroup once who was on track to place at a TN state tourney in T2-mp, but ended up not because he literally fell asleep at the top table in the last round and the other guys couldn't keep waking him up. I'm still proud of him for making it to that table, and pizza girl should be proud of making it to a championship game at a tournament with SoulSeeker, Robm, and who knows who else

lp670sv · « **Reply #292 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:30:00 AM »

She was one of 2 undefeated players so I don't think implying we aren't considering her overall tournament is even remotely fair...the overall tournament got her to the top table, then she lost to Jonathan like everyone does and went from 2nd to either 4th or 5th I don't remember which. THAT doesn't take in to account her whole tournament. She was even beating Jonathan for about half the game. ~~For that matter I believe Redemption is the only CCG that even scores time out wins differently than regular wins.~~

I'm not striking that out because it's wrong, I just don't know if it is so there is no point in it staying there

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #293 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:53:32 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on February 27, 2012, 10:30:00 AM

the overall tournament got her to the top table, then she lost to Jonathan like everyone does and went from 2nd to either 4th or 5th I don't remember which. THAT doesn't take in to account her whole tournament. She was even beating Jonathan for about half the game.

OK, so Greeson went undefeated, and everyone agrees that he should win 1st. The 2nd and 3rd places should go to the other players who did the next best overall.

If the other people who finished ahead of this girl had more complete wins than she did, then they deserved to finish higher in the tournament than she did. This is the way it should be.

lp670sv · « **Reply #294 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:59:13 AM »

You can't evaluate a "more complete win". A person who time out wins 4-0 did better than someone who wins 5-4. Lost soul differential also isn't far because someone who wins 5-1 but allowed a successful rescue did not have as good of a game as the person who won 5-2 but the 2 is from an early SOG/NJ draw out of complete luck. Players who never had to play Jonathan (which, correct me if I'm wrong Rob, but the eventual second place finisher never player Jonathan that I can remember) shouldn't be able to leap frog the girl who was previously in second. They both had one loss. One of them loss to the eventual champion of the tournament, the other lost to someone who did not place, so who really had the more "complete" tournament.

soul seeker · « **Reply #295 on:** February 27, 2012, 12:21:26 PM »

Hey Alec,
I did play Rob....my opponents, the round we played in, and their comparative finish:
2nd Place Rob We played in Rd 3
4th Place Kayla* We played in Rd 4
5th Place Luke We played in Rd 2
6th Place Aaron** We played in Rd 1

* The infamous "pizza girl" To be fair, we were having a late lunch, and she was starving. Plus, her opponent was her best friend who wanted pizza as well. She is good-natured and didn't regret her decision despite my warning at the time of the "pizza incident."

** Aaron finished well despite discovering that he was missing 3 key cards to his deck strategy.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #296 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:33:01 PM »

So there's issues with the way Redemption does tournaments. Surprise.

In other news, Luke is hosting our next tournament, a District, on March 17th!

lp670sv · « **Reply #297 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:41:00 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on February 27, 2012, 12:21:26 PM

Hey Alec,
I did play Rob....my opponents, the round we played in, and their comparative finish:
2nd Place Rob We played in Rd 3
4th Place Kayla* We played in Rd 4
5th Place Luke We played in Rd 2
6th Place Aaron** We played in Rd 1

* The infamous "pizza girl" To be fair, we were having a late lunch, and she was starving. Plus, her opponent was her best friend who wanted pizza as well. She is good-natured and didn't regret her decision despite my warning at the time of the "pizza incident."

** Aaron finished well despite discovering that he was missing 3 key cards to his deck strategy.

And this is where I have the problem with the way Redemption tournaments are run. Even if you take Kayla out of this for a minute all 3 of the other people who could have finished second only lost 1 game to the top player. Lost soul differential should not be the end all be all of who places. There's too much luck involved in SOG/NJ to make it a reliable source of who actually did better.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #298 on:** February 27, 2012, 02:03:47 PM »

Better suggestions then Alec?

Tom Bombadil · « **Reply #299 on:** February 27, 2012, 03:24:29 PM »

Well I will say one reason why Aaron and I placed lower is because we tied at 4 to 4 at the very end.

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Author Topic: Rochester, NY Tournaments (Read 51842 times)