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There are Magicians and Magical Charms in redemption.
He called the players of the game, satan followers practically... that is in no way promotion.
But other forum members are defending MTG, which IS in a way promotion.
Simon the Magician and his charms say hi.
Gandalf says hi.
Gandalf isn't Jesus, he's an Angel.
there is a difference between practicing sorcery and casting magic missiles on bugbears...and a piece of cardboard. 'nuff said.
AS a former MTG player and a Redemption player I feel I must say something. MTG has a fundamental bent towards sorcery and the occult. The game's rulebook states that you take on the role of a planeswalker(basically an elite sorcerer) and using energy from the land or constructs (artifacts etc.)you cast spells and summon creatures to do your bidding. Many of those are at least demonic looking. To compare that to Redemption portraying magicians as Evil people who use demonic power and claiming Redemption is more satanic in my opinion is very unfair. Redemption allows the use of Magicians et al., Magic makes you roleplay as one.(At the very least according to the rulebook). Before I was saved I wondered about Christians who played Magic, because it seemed to me that playing this game would go against their philosophy. Having said all of this, I realize that it is just a game. Christians who play Magic are perhaps making a poor choice, but are NOT worshiping Satan. I quit MTG because I liked Redemption better and felt better investing my cash in a card game that followed my beliefs(mostly). But I feel that comparing all MTG players to Satan's forces is not only wrong but sinful. Judging other Christians actions and behaviors are something we are not to do, or if we must admonish a brother or sister we are to do it in love. Calling them Satan's followers is not loving, this blatant over generalization of everything that does not line up to Our Christian beliefs must be satanic not only makes Christians look like fools, but damages the effectiveness of the gospel. It is one thing to pray for people who play MTG to come to know Christ, it is another to call them Satan's followers! There is actually a huge difference between doing something not good for your walk, and worshiping satan.
mtg is no more roleplaying than a player in redemption is when he blocks with king of tyrus, prince of this world, red dragon, etc.
very good explanation, i just would like to point out a few things. mtg is no more roleplaying than a player in redemption is when he blocks with king of tyrus, prince of this world, red dragon, etc. do we truly believe we are satan or demons when we are using these evil characters to block rescue attempts?
i would venture to say playing with creatures in mtg is far more morally sound than playing with evil characters in redemption because mtg has a very strict policy against portraying anything blatantly satanic or even remotely related to the bible. the creatures in mtg are as much monsters as are frankenstein, dracula, werewolf, etc...purely figments of our imaginations. the closest line mtg walks is by having angels and demons in the game, but redemption has more than its fair share as well.
i know many christians that play mtg, and it has not deterred them in their walk of faith, nor should they be condemned because of it. its a fantasy game with imaginary elements, bottom line.
Quote from: Master KChief on May 20, 2010, 09:06:56 AMmtg is no more roleplaying than a player in redemption is when he blocks with king of tyrus, prince of this world, red dragon, etc. This is not true from what I understand about MTG. In Redemption you block with KoT or whoever, and if they lose the battle, then they die (are discarded), but you as a person are not actually involved. In MTG you have a certain number of personal life points, and if you lose battles you lose life points. Your opponent wins at the point where you run out of life points and "die". This is a very different feel of a game. Instead of it being my GCs attacking your ECs, it becomes I am attacking You. Therefore in MTG, there is innately more "roleplaying" than there is in Redemption.
im surprised you would try to rationalize away the glaring similiarities between both games. to win in mtg, you must deduct points from your opponent. to win in redemption, you must gain points from your opponent. its exactly the same thing mind the point totals going in opposite directions. mtg has creatures to attempt to deduct points from the opponent. redemption has heroes to try to gain points from the opponent. mtg has creatures to block your opponent from deducting points from you. redemption has ec's to block your opponent from gaining points from you. to say mtg involves more roleplaying than redemption is a blinding oversight, because both games win mechanics operate almost exactly the same.