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Well, that's already taken and besides that; that site isn't rich with information on it. I've registered to it and tried to contact somebody on it and never heard back.

At least I know it's about Redemption. I wasn't sure if your website was about Monarchy or Theology. Apparently it's about a card game.

I've read the entire thread, and it makes me cringe as a Marketing major that you chose the name Kingdom Column because Kingdom Column does not brand your goals as a title. The goal of a title should be to brand your website or connect it to something that will allow readers to readily know what the site is about. It is for this reason simplistic titles such as Redemption CA are effective - it's about Redemption in the context of CA, and we know that right away. The Kingdom Column is a vague and complex term that could be any number of things. Redemption CCG is certainly not what I would think when I heard The Kingdom Column.

Also, I will reiterate what others said and say you are pretty much just trying to create what the boards currently are with the addition of tournament coverage.

If God calls you to something He'll equip you. Your gift can take you where your character can't keep you. I'm not trying to brand anything, I'm not trying to make any gain of it. It's for the community and as long as it serves it's purpose and blesses others - so be it.

If I wanted your advice I would of asked for it. Either you see the good in it or not. If not, don't contribute. Myself along with others would like more than what the message board offers. When you see people with a willing heart to do more, especially for others and not a selfish cause, it would be for the good of the cause to encourage those that are doing it rather than talk smack and tear others down.

I didn't tear you down, I told you your site name was not very well chosen. If that's tearing you down and my intentions were malicious, I probably wouldn't have explained why.

The fact is you do want to brand something whether you admit it or not. You want your site to be synonmous with Redemption Tournaments, News, and other things concerning Redemption. That's called branding. You want to brand your site as a top notch Redemption resource.

You do want my advice. That's the entire point of this thread. You could have just started the site if you didn't want my advice. But this thread is online, so I will offer my advice and call out when I see mistakes being made. If you don't want that, delete the thread.

I also have no idea where the gifts thing came from. I never talked about any of that, so if you want to expound more, go for it. I don't see the point of your tangent on gifts.

I'd like to mention that "Kingdom Columns" was one of the few names mentioned as a possibility.  There weren't any arguments at first, and plus, names can be changed because this is still the forming stage.

Also, Redemption (referencing the game) is trademarked, copyrighted, etc... Drew can't call it "Redemption x" because he hasn't been given that permission by Cactus.

In reference to the whole "Marketing" situation: this is not-for-profit and fan-based.  If Cactus/the Elders/Rob decide to give their blessing on making it "official," then I could see a marketing angle.  Right now, as it stands, it's a fan-based tournament coverage idea, not a marketing strategy.

I like the idea, but, I can certainly understand resistance to "Advertisement a.k.a. marketing" it on the official forums once it becomes a true reality.  Right now, Drew is offering to make it happen if the players want it.  Personally, I'd love to hear stories from other states. 

What I'd really like to see is: professional, non-sarcastic, positive, constructive criticism of the idea.  Emphasis on professional.

What say you Kemosabe?

-C_S

I'd like to mention that "Kingdom Columns" was one of the few names mentioned as a possibility.  There weren't any arguments at first, and plus, names can be changed because this is still the forming stage.

Also, Redemption (referencing the game) is trademarked, copyrighted, etc... Drew can't call it "Redemption x" because he hasn't been given that permission by Cactus.

In reference to the whole "Marketing" situation: this is not-for-profit and fan-based.  If Cactus/the Elders/Rob decide to give their blessing on making it "official," then I could see a marketing angle.  Right now, as it stands, it's a fan-based tournament coverage idea, not a marketing strategy.

I like the idea, but, I can certainly understand resistance to "Advertisement a.k.a. marketing" it on the official forums once it becomes a true reality.  Right now, Drew is offering to make it happen if the players want it.  Personally, I'd love to hear stories from other states. 

What I'd really like to see is: professional, non-sarcastic, positive, constructive criticism of the idea.  Emphasis on professional.

What say you Kemosabe?

-C_S

On a side note, I think I'm going to stick with The Kingdom Column for now. I liked the name, seemed cool, seemed like it edifies God's Kingdom, and shouldn't compete with Cactu's trademark either. Also If i needed to trademark or copyright it I do know where and how to get that done if needed but it's intended to be fan-based and nor was I presenting it as something elite, top notch, or better than any body else's site just something I believe a lot of players would enjoy. Although the site can still be deleted at the click of a button I'd really would not like to. It would take a lot of time to move all that content to another site.

Well, that's already taken and besides that; that site isn't rich with information on it. I've registered to it and tried to contact somebody on it and never heard back.

I know it's taken, and I know it's rich with information.  That's my point.

The site is mine (did you miss my sig?) and it's been in place for four years.  It was intended to be a place where people could register and post news, tournament information, post pictures, and I was in the process of building a wiki in addition to that, as well as tying in the strategy blog Holder's Heroes.

Of all the functions built into the site, the only one anyone ever contributed to - save one gallery from the Wolfe family - was articles for the blog, and those dried up two years ago.  I moved the tournament calendar here and made it a central part of the forums and people still don't use it; half the tournament hosts don't seem to even realize they can add the tournaments themselves, even though I've been saying it for years.  Another effort was made to create a Redemption wiki and that fell apart as well for the same reason, lack of user contribution.

I'm just letting you know what you can probably expect from a small and nominally-connected community when it comes to aggregate content.

I'm just letting you know what you can probably expect from a small and nominally-connected community when it comes to aggregate content.

I agree that it seems to be the pattern here that group projects don't end up working out very well (ie. remember that book that was being written here on the forum a couple years ago), and for projects to actually go somewhere there has to be either a single member who spearheads it (ie. SoulSeeker's trading ref system, Guardian's REG corrections system) or a very small team (ie. Prof A and Polarius who are currently running ROOT).

However, what I can't explain based on this is how Wikipedia has become such a success.

Wikipedia is also one of the largest sites. That gives them an edge in two ways:
1.) More volunteers try it, and therefore more stay.
2.) People are motivated by making a difference. Giving information to millions of people is more enticing than giving information to dozens.

1) I liked the sample I saw,very infomative

2) Let him call it what he likes,that is one of the joys God gave us, the power of change!

3) When was the last time we took a census on the number of players we've got?

Very valid points on all sides are being made.

I'd just like to add that Drew isn't really asking for much, just results of games.  Kind of like the thread where everyone who participates in an RTS match writes the results in order to get credit... just adding a little more information to make it "newsy."  I.e. such and such achieved a victory over such and such with "x" deck.  Both players have had a bit of a rivalry for the past "x" months...

Something like that.

And the beauty of it is that it doesn't require a whole lot on the individual's part because Drew has a way with words when it comes to this thing.  He adds a ton of excitement to our local "columns" and game stories, so he can expound more on the information given.  (Although I would say that we joke/"trash" talk a lot during our matches, so we tend to come up with "names" for each other... info like that could help Drew immensely) 

"Silly non-rate, your not hitting anything because your gun's loaded with blanks"

-C_S

As a tournament host, I don't add my tournaments because everyone already knows about it.

I.e. such and such achieved a victory over such and such with "x" deck.  Both players have had a bit of a rivalry for the past "x" months...

Personally, I would be a little bit irritated if someone would rat out my deck for all to see.
    For example, let's say by some hypothetical chance that I win SomeKitten's March tournament.  SomeKittens has already mentioned that they are on board with this idea.  I would be irritated if my deck (tested at a district to see its possibility for winning at States) was broadcasted prior to States happening.  Somekittens could easily do it too without my knowledge (not saying he would..I'm talking about the possibilities).

I know that the above has already been discussed, and I'm not trying to rehash that discussion. However, your quote above mentioned the revealing of someone's deck, I feel it starts giving people unfair advantages.  I don't like someone having an advantage over me.  Especially when I travel to multiple State and Regional tournaments.

Quote from: SomeKittens on February 16, 2011, 09:26:52 PM

As a tournament host, I don't add my tournaments because everyone already knows about it.

I don't.

Schaef, it would be awesome for you to come up here and play against me again in tournaments.  I totally wouldn't rat out your unique decks!