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If you want byes, post a better reason. Byes are opposed to the reason for having a top cut - forcing players to play other players doing well that day. To give byes for swiss performance is to negate that.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 19, 2013, 12:47:44 AMIf you want byes, post a better reason. Byes are opposed to the reason for having a top cut - forcing players to play other players doing well that day. To give byes for swiss performance is to negate that.Byes help negate the major downside to doing top cut without best 2 out of 3. Those who point out that a person who went undefeated in Swiss could end up knocked out in the first round with a bad draw have a good point. Giving a more tangible benefit than "played the worst of the best" helps mitigate that.
The bad draw issue is a Redemption issue, not a top cut issue. It's the reason we all would prefer 2/3. However, that's not a time tenable solution.
Why don't we work out, say, three or four versions of Top Cut that we think would work best, then just put it to a vote?Top 8.Top 16.Top 14 (with two byes).Something else?
Because voting creates the illusion that the winning of the vote should be the format used (which will not be the case because players don't take any logistical considerations into their vote).
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 19, 2013, 05:08:52 PMBecause voting creates the illusion that the winning of the vote should be the format used (which will not be the case because players don't take any logistical considerations into their vote).So how else do you propose it's decided? People argue about it for a week and then you choose whatever you like best? Seems legit.
I still think that a double elim. top cut would be better.fixes a bad draw thing. and it would be easy to match up the top cut.
Just do regular single-elim top 8/16 cut. Stop trying to muck it up with too much for the first year, people.
you could just do it like a normal tournament at top cut. just a smaller version.
Alex, you mean single elimination for the top cut portion after swiss, right?