Author Topic: New Tournament Winner Promo (Coming Soon!) (Read 8552 times)

Gabe · « **on:** April 01, 2019, 11:33:56 AM »

Soon Cactus games will be able to offer a new tournament winner promo! The elder team has felt for some time that New Jerusalem (dominant) could use an update. We've tested this version and feel that accomplishes our goal of being under the power level of TSC while giving players that don't own TSC a good alternative.

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A few years ago Pat Watertor (H20tor on here) suggested that we make a SoG/NJ that make a picture when put side by side. We didn't have any luck finding art that would work for that until just recently...

In lieu of this plan Rob has agreed to give out 2 new promos at the 25th Annual National tournament!!!

Want a set of these? Me too! Start making your plans to get to Nationals now!!!

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777Godspeed · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2019, 11:39:43 AM »

Those are pretty slick, especially the side by side SoG/NJ... Redemption raises the bar, once again, on pure awesomeness. Just wish I could make it to Nationals...

Godspeed,
Mike

Bobbert · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2019, 11:52:18 AM »

I like how NJ can copy your opponent's dominants.

These are very pretty cards - I'm looking forward to adding them to my collection!

Sean · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2019, 12:28:24 PM »

When is the last time a tournament has been won by someone who didn't have TSC in their deck? I ask because if this is a winner promo, how are the players who don't have TSC going to get this card without avoiding the cost of trading away other high value cards?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2019, 12:31:13 PM »

Quote from: Sean on April 01, 2019, 12:28:24 PM

When is the last time a tournament has been won by someone who didn't have TSC in their deck? I ask because if this is a winner promo, how are the players who don't have TSC going to get this card without avoiding the cost of trading away other high value cards?

I understand where you're coming from, and agree to a degree - What I'll say is:
A) If you're lucky enough to get to nationals you'll get a version.
B) With enough copies at nationals, highly likely that we'll see low prices from TLG, or a potential give-away on LoR for articles written etc.
C) We've seen with past tournament winner cards they very quickly become ubiquitous to the point where the players that are winning can trade for low value, or even give away to the players that want them.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2019, 12:44:38 PM »

Quote from: Sean on April 01, 2019, 12:28:24 PM

When is the last time a tournament has been won by someone who didn't have TSC in their deck? I ask because if this is a winner promo, how are the players who don't have TSC going to get this card without avoiding the cost of trading away other high value cards?

I won plenty of local, district, and state tournaments and got 2nd at Nats with my trusty old NJ. Also I've found that any playgroup that runs small tournaments even semi-regularly tends to get a surplus of tournament winner promos pretty quick so I don't expect that you'll have to trade much for the new NJ once it's been out for a bit.

Sean · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2019, 01:17:50 PM »

That is reassuring. The idea is great as is the artwork, especially for the Nationals versions. It just seems a little counter intuitive to have it as a winner's promo.

Gabe · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2019, 01:26:20 PM »

Quote from: Sean on April 01, 2019, 01:17:50 PM

That is reassuring. The idea is great as is the artwork, especially for the Nationals versions. It just seems a little counter intuitive to have it as a winner's promo.

As a basis for comparison the last 2 winner promos on TLG are $8 (Dragon Raid) and $5 (Harvest Time). Many of my local and district tournaments are won by players without high end cards. Also winner promos are common enough here that they are often given away.

If you want NJ the month it’s released you’ll find it’s a little more difficult to come by. But by this time next year I’d be shocked if anyone who wants it doesn’t have one or can’t get it easily.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2019, 02:17:26 PM »

Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2019, 02:27:20 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on April 01, 2019, 02:17:26 PM

Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...

It'd be an awfully disappointing joke. Those Lost Soul spoilers however...

Lampy 2.0 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2019, 02:35:56 PM »

Man, that promo set is beautiful. Can't wait to register for Nats this year!

Ironisaac · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2019, 09:46:09 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on April 01, 2019, 02:17:26 PM

Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...

He showed them off at t2 only this weekend, it's legit.

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2019, 09:55:29 AM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on April 01, 2019, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on April 01, 2019, 02:17:26 PM
Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...

He showed them off at t2 only this weekend, it's legit.

April 1st is behind us and I can assure you these are very legit!

thecoolguy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:10:05 AM »

I would gladly use this NJ over second coming

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:12:34 AM »

So if your opponent plays 3 woes as good and you copy it, would new new Jerusalem stay out as a 3 woes?

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:13:42 AM »

Copy abilities last until the end of the current phase by default so once the next phase began, it would be discarded.

Gabe · « **Reply #16 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:19:43 AM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on April 02, 2019, 11:12:34 AM

So if your opponent plays 3 woes as good and you copy it, would new new Jerusalem stay out as a 3 woes?

Quote from: The Guardian on April 02, 2019, 11:13:42 AM

Copy abilities last until the end of the current phase by default so once the next phase began, it would be discarded.

Quote from: REG>Copy

Unless otherwise specified, copy effects last until the card with the copy effect leaves the Field of Battle.

I think Justin was going from memory, but the REG says copy abilities only work in the field of battle. Since the Dominant is never in the field of battle as soon as you place the 3W copy in territory it ceases to copy. I imagine you could get an instant negate effect by copying 3W with NJ (new) but it would be immediately discarded.

FTR the copy entry probably needs to be revisited and could end up working more like what Justin describes.

Quote from: Three Woes

Place in territory: Negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round. Each upkeep, you may negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round.

The Guardian · « **Reply #17 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:45:39 PM »

Ah right, I was going from memory, and forgot about the Field of Battle condition.

Isildur · « **Reply #18 on:** April 02, 2019, 04:35:59 PM »

If I'm not mistaken... The new New Jerusalem would effectively bring back dominant slapjack, correct?

The new New Jerusalem just says last good dominant which means it could copy your opponents. Granted the game won't have "literal" slap jack like before since dominants are no longer instant speed but how it's currently worded... you could still copy your opponent's cards if I'm not mistaken.

If I was still playing I'd totally be down for that but considering how big of a deal it was back in the day when slapjack was removed I'm a bit shocked to see it come back.

Gabe · « **Reply #19 on:** April 02, 2019, 04:44:06 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on April 02, 2019, 04:35:59 PM

If I'm not mistaken... The new New Jerusalem would effectively bring back dominant slapjack, correct?

The new New Jerusalem just says last good dominant which means it could copy your opponents. Granted the game won't have "literal" slap jack like before since dominants are no longer instant speed but how it's currently worded... you could still copy your opponent's cards if I'm not mistaken.

If I was still playing I'd totally be down for that but considering how big of a deal it was back in the day when slapjack was removed I'm a bit shocked to see it come back.

You are mistaken. The only real solution to "dominant slapjack" was to institute "dominant initiative". The active player (whose turn it is) gets to play as many dominants as they desire, then the opportunity to play dominants passes around the table in turn order.

This does bring back the opportunity to "play New Jerusalem off your opponent's Son of God" if it was the last good Dominant they played.

Isildur · « **Reply #20 on:** April 02, 2019, 04:50:24 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on April 02, 2019, 04:44:06 PM

This does bring back the opportunity to "play New Jerusalem off your opponent's Son of God" if it was the last good Dominant they played.

Ahhh I misunderstood how dominant initiative worked then. Still, the above quoted is what I thought was possible!

Shocked to see that scenario back a comeback but I won't say that I'm complaining! In vintage Redemption, there was always a risk in playing SoG and I always thought that added a layer of strategy that was lost when "slapjack" was eliminated.

faithraider · « **Reply #21 on:** April 02, 2019, 08:25:33 PM »

Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?

Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.

thejambi · « **Reply #22 on:** April 02, 2019, 08:34:41 PM »

Quote from: faithraider on April 02, 2019, 08:25:33 PM

Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?

Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.

Based on this, I think it works each time effectively copying SoG - http://www.cactusforums.com/strategies-and-combos/how-to-win-in-one-turn-without-making-a-single-successful-rescue-attempt!*/

Gabe · « **Reply #23 on:** April 02, 2019, 08:36:34 PM »

Quote from: faithraider on April 02, 2019, 08:25:33 PM

Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?

Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.

You can use NJ (copied SoG) to copy NJ and create a conga line of NJs.

Kor · « **Reply #24 on:** April 02, 2019, 09:16:23 PM »

So it becomes a bit more risky to play this on your opponents turn right? As they could theoretically play a good dominant (like Glory) in between Son of God and NJ.

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Author Topic: New Tournament Winner Promo (Coming Soon!) (Read 8552 times)