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Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on January 30, 2012, 03:05:06 PM

(My final post. It's been good, I'm hardly known, but unless I'm allowed to make a new account, this is the last you'll hear from me! Post-wise anyway...)

Btw, if you want to keep your post-count at 777, you'll need to check back once in a while to make sure that it hasn't changed.  Occasionally an old thread will get deleted, and it can drop people's post counts by a few.  Notably, one forum member left after post 6666, and then returned a long time later to make a few more posts to get their number back again.

You're right, it happened already even though my post count stayed steady for quite a few months before... Conspiracy?

Back on-topic: I'll wait until you get closer to FL.  I would have to do exceptionally well in a category for the year to even consider an extended trip. 

My understanding of the situation with Nats, having had a discussion with Rob about it this weekend, is that there's only one more potential hurdle preventing a TN Nats this year, which is that the venue that the TN Nats would be at does not have showers. A couple other places in the area have portable showers, so they're trying to establish whether they can use them or not. If they can't, the Nats bid will likely go somewhere else, with a Rochester Nats being run by Roy, John, and Randall being the frontrunner.

Not everyone will be staying in a hotel, I'm assuming that the TEN location was planning on providing at least some form of lodging but that lodging doesn't have showers.

Quote from: lp670sv on February 12, 2012, 02:43:34 PM

Not everyone will be staying in a hotel, I'm assuming that the TEN location was planning on providing at least some form of lodging but that lodging doesn't have showers.

But if the "lodging" doesn't have showers, couldn't we use private residence showers? I'm sure the guys in TN were just trying to provide free (or really cheap) lodging. Not all churches in the country are big enough to have showers.

You want the hosts to volunteer to have a hundred or so people use there shower? Let's think about this practically. Even if there's 3 hosts that's 33 people using there showers for the weekend, their water bills are going to hurt, not to mention having to clean up after everyone, because unfortunately you can't trust EVERYONE to do that themselves, obvious privacy concerns, plus the hassel of transporting these people for the venue to the residence and back and keeping all of that organized. That is a nightmare. I'm assuming if you put in a bid for disney you could also make a deal to use some of their abundant lodging, which does have public showers, problem solved.

If showers determine the location of nationals I will be quite angry seeing as people could pay for a flippin hotel. Or they could set up a portable alternititve. Other CCGs' national tournament locations aren't determined by showers.

Quote from: lp670sv on February 12, 2012, 02:50:45 PM

I'm assuming if you put in a bid for disney you could also make a deal to use some of their abundant lodging, which does have public showers, problem solved.

And, likewise, people could pay for lodging in TN, which have showers. Problem solved.

not everyone can afford to pay for lodging after paying to get to TN and paying for the tournament itself. So if you want people to show up, an alternate form of lodging ca be provided.

At Kansas City Nationals there was no option to stay at the church so I see no reason why they couldn't do the same thing in Tennessee. Either ways its okay cuz BO and Turtle go well together.

Has Texas been bid for yet?

We're in the middle of everyone so it makes the most sense ^.^

And how did the venue smell at the end of the weekend? Did it need to be fumigated after the tournament before it could be used again?

Sure you could just make everyone get a hotel, but not everyone can pay for a hotel. Attendance goes down.
Portable option? Expensive. Might make it so the hosts can't afford the tournament anymore.
Hosts sharing their showers? Also expensive for the hosts, impractical and an organizational nightmare.

In the end it will be the decision of Rob and the hosts. Maybe it's not so much that TN doesn't have showers but that other possible venues do and this is, after all, a competition for who is best equipped to host the tournament. No matter what, it is Rob's decision and his decision will be what is best for the tournament 

So then it's not about showers, but the extra cost of people travelling to have to stay in a hotel instead of get a free ride in the church. Why didn't you say that in the first place?

It's about both. Showers aren't being provided, which would force people to get hotels, which they may not be able to afford, decreasing attendance and leading to a less successful nats.

If showers determine the location of nationals I will be quite angry seeing as people could pay for a flippin hotel. Or they could set up a portable alternititve. Other CCGs' national tournament locations aren't determined by showers.

I'm assuming by "other CCG's" you mean Magic and YuGiOh. You're comparing apples to oranges. Redemption nats, at best, will probably not top more then a few hundred people. The worst grand prix for magic will still draw a few thousand. You can try to accommodate a few hundred, a few thousand is impossible.

Yes the water is free, but indecent exposure is a crime.

I will boycott nationals if it's not in TN because of that. Let's look at past nationals.
2011: MN. The luxury of the redemption card kingdom. We get hundreds of people, have places to stay and plenty of people to get them from the airport. Nowhere else has what MN has.
2010: MA. No lodging provided. Better get a hotel. John Michalyzyn was running everywhere with his few helpers trying to get people.
2009: CA. I wasn't there, but I don't think lodging was provided.
2008: OH. It was in a hotel.
2007: KS. I don't remember, but lodging wasn't provided.
2006: NY. I don't remember, but lodging was provided. I'm not sure if you had to pay though.
2005: MN. I don't remember, but I don't think lodging was provided. I distinctly remember staying at a hotel.

So far: Showers: 2 (people from where nats would be held otherwise, mind you, 1 of whom hasn't attended a nats). TN: 5 (none of which are from TN, though 2 of whom won't be at nats, 3 of them have been to nats)

I will boycott nationals if it's not in TN because of that. Let's look at past nationals.

No you won't, but nice try.

Perhaps the years that places without showers were selected there was not an alternative with showers available. There is this year. In fact one of the alternatives has an airport less than 20 minutes away, lodging, showers, a dining hall a 2 second walk from the lodging (though I'm sure food is not free), pretty much everything you could want for a nats, INCLUDING and I just found this out, a Perkins less than 20 minutes. So Sauce might even show up.