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Well, it was the smallest tournament in years...and MN was the biggest ever...just sayin'...

Yet it had a lot of people who would have never gone to a nationals if it wasn't in Cali (myself included).

I wish people stop looking at numbers and look at giving ALL redemption players in the contenantal USA a chance to go to Nationals.

Quote from: Ironica on January 29, 2010, 10:16:45 AM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2010, 10:13:03 AM

Well, it was the smallest tournament in years...and MN was the biggest ever...just sayin'...

Yet it had a lot of people who would have never gone to a nationals if it wasn't in Cali (myself included).

I wish people stop looking at numbers and look at giving ALL redemption players in the contenantal USA a chance to go to Nationals.

I have a friend in Hawaii who plays redemption. not really, but supposing there was...

Bolded the probably bad misspelled part that you missed (probably because it was misspelled )

Quote from: Ironica on January 29, 2010, 10:16:45 AM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2010, 10:13:03 AM

Well, it was the smallest tournament in years...and MN was the biggest ever...just sayin'...

Yet it had a lot of people who would have never gone to a nationals if it wasn't in Cali (myself included).

I wish people stop looking at numbers and look at giving ALL redemption players in the contenantal USA a chance to go to Nationals.

I think having a high number of players attending is at least as big a deciding factor as having people who have never been before.

I'm not saying it was a bad idea to have nats in Cali necessarily, but...I mean, you have to balance fairness and attendance, IMO.

However, in the end, it really all comes down to what Rob says. I mean, you can't even have a tournament in a state where no one offers to host.

A while ago, some one mentioned that there should be a rotating schedule for Nationals.  It would look like:

East Coast
Central
Central
West Coast
Central
Central
East Coast
…

This was a great idea because it gives the places with a lot of people most of the nationals but it still gave us on the coasts a chance to go to a nationals once every six years.  So you would still get the uber numbers most of the time while also giving the coastal peeps (who can’t afford going across country) their shot at natz.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2010, 10:13:03 AM

Well, it was the smallest tournament in years...and MN was the biggest ever...just sayin'...

Yet it had a lot of people who would have never gone to a nationals if it wasn't in Cali (myself included).

I wish people stop looking at numbers and look at giving ALL redemption players in the contenantal USA a chance to go to Nationals.

Now I'm gonna let you finish but nats in MN was the best NATS OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME!

(Note: only because OB making walking on Mary's face)

A while ago, some one mentioned that there should be a rotating schedule for Nationals.  It would look like:
East Coast
[North]Central
[South]Central
West Coast
…

This could be a good idea, except that there just isn't a solid enough player base to realistically make that work.  Sure the North Central region has been consistent for a decade and there would always be a big-time host in MN willing to host Nats every 4 years.  But the other regions just don't have that consistency.  If you asked a few years ago, it seemed like a Nats in TX and Atlanta were both good possibilities.  But both of those states have gone way down over the last couple years, as has the West Coast this year.  There probably aren't more than a handful of states that could realistically host Nats this year.  What if none of them were in the area that was on the schedule that you suggest above?

I wonder if Mr. BHO's high speed rail thing will help with Nationals in the future?

And don't even act like you don't want nationals to be in your state as well.

So you understand why some players who never get a chance to have nationals within 1500 miles of them would like to have a nationals they can attend?

The nationals in CA was the only nationals ever to take place on the West of the rocky mountains.  After 14 years of being on the east half, it was time for the West to get its chance.  

Now we'll have it back on the East half for the next 14 years.  

Or, what about this: every player who goes to nationals puts their travel expenses on the host's credit card.  Then, the host divides that total by the number of entrants to determine the entry fee.  That way, it is fair for everyone.  

You local kids will have to foot the bill for the Hakes, Wolfes, Kramers, Isildurs, fireninjas, Ironicas, STAMPs, Arps, and all the high schoolers and middle schoolers in our playgroups, etc. for the next 14 years.  

Or, what about this: every player who goes to nationals puts their travel expenses on the host's credit card.  Then, the host divides that total by the number of entrants to determine the entry fee.  That way, it is fair for everyone.  

You local kids will have to foot the bill for the Hakes, Wolfes, Kramers, Isildurs, fireninjas, STAMPs, and all the high schoolers and middle schoolers in our playgroups, etc. for the next 14 years.  

Brilliant!

Driving RLK's away?  Not having Nationals west of the Rockies for 14 years drove RLK's away in the western US.  They'd look longingly at National promos, and stories of nationals, knowing full well they'd never get there, frustrated that they had to spend $40 for a AoC promo and $50 for a Priests of Christ, while a Minnesota RLK has 3 free copies.  In the years since 1998-9 when I started hosting tournaments, it wasn't like I could tell them, "In a year or two, we'll have nationals here!"  Well, thankfully, Rob and a significant number of members in the Redemption community knew it was only fair that the CA RLKs get a shot.  I hope that we get another shot in 6-7 years or so (7 or 8 years after our previous nats), but it will require selflessness again on the part of numbers worshipers.

Ouch, I think you may have just called me a number worshiper. I'd like to state that I had absolutely no problem with Nationals in california last year, likewise I would have absolutely no problem if nationals was in Boston or NY this year. I was simply stating that your solution (Which I think was in jest) wouldn't be the best idea. I have no problem with having nationals in California every 6 years. I probably wouldn't even have a problem with it every 3 years on the west coast.

Additonally AoC promo and Priests of Christ are great cards yes, but they're not completely neccessary for a really good deck - Neither deck that won T1 or T2 this year had AoC, Tim's deck in 08 didn't have AoC. I find it hard to belive that the lack of a card could drive someone away.

ANYTHING on the next nationals?

Aw, why Couldent you ask this on my Post, you know to keep it goin!

... all the whining about attendance numbers ...

I must not understand your definition of whining.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2010, 08:31:47 PM

I mean no disrespect to anyone and perhaps I was foolish to expect the same.

I find it humorous that you contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Once again, I do not understand.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on Today at 10:07:46 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on Today at 08:31:47 PM
I mean no disrespect to anyone and perhaps I was foolish to expect the same.

I find it humorous that you contradict yourself within the same sentence.
Once again, I do not understand.

I can handle this one. By saying you were "foolish" or even saying you might of been to expect people not to disrespect you is disrespecting them. Make sense?