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Title: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on January 01, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
Calling all Type 2 players within 15 hours driving distance of MN or willing to fly in. Best tune up for Nationals. Its a must if you want to win Nationals. Every year the highest place winner at the Type 2 Blowout that plays at Nationals has won that year.

Details for Type 2 Only Redemption Tournament March 9-10, 2012

Location:  North Heights Lutheran Church
       Arden Hills-Upper Centrum or Great Hall
       1700 W. Highway 96
       Arden Hills, MN   55112

Lodging:   Stay overnight in the church on Friday night, doors open at at 6:00pm. Saturday night loging available in homes.

Money available to help with traveling expences for anyone traveling from outside the great state of Minnesota. Last year we had 2 people fly in.

Cost:  Free
    Pizza, pop, etc will be available for purchase.

Tentative schedule:
Friday:    7:00    Type 2-Multiplayer (2-3 rounds depends on numbers and how late everybody wants to play),
                          Iron man
                          Other games
                          Type 2 Teams after Multi is over. Matt will determine rules
     
 8:00-8:30   Breakfast for those staying overnight
8:30-9:00    Registration and deck check in
 9:00-7:00   Type 2-2 player (7 rounds because we want to. Since we have all these good players attending)

We will be having an Ironman Tournament ongoing both Friday and Saturday. Winner will receive prizes.

Besides normal prizes for a local tournament; 1, 2 & 3rd place winners of Type 2-2 player and Type-2 Multiplayer will get a chance to win a complete set of new cards. 1st place in each category will get three chances, 2nd place two chances and 3rd place one chance. So if you won Type 2-2 player and placed 3rd in Type- Multiplayer, you would have a 4 in 12 chance to win the new cards. Might throw in a Daniel Promo, depends if I can go to Nationals this year. Also Championship t-shirts for the winners.

If you are planning on staying overnight send me a PM so we can plan for you.

Any questions contact  Bill Voigt (everytribe)

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: The M on January 01, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
I'm gonna be there! I will probably need to sleep over at the church.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on January 01, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
Is anyone from the NE region planning on attending this, and is NOT flying (or if you are flying, flying out of one of the PA/MD airports)? Bill, I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: SomeKittens on January 01, 2012, 10:34:47 PM
Is anyone from the NE region planning on attending this, and is NOT flying (or if you are flying, flying out of one of the PA/MD airports)? Bill, I sent you a PM.
Ditto.  I'd love to attend another Wild Bill special.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 01, 2012, 10:38:53 PM
I'm interested in going and would be flying out of Pittsburgh. I PM'd Bill.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Drrek on January 01, 2012, 10:41:55 PM
Is anyone from the NE region planning on attending this, and is NOT flying (or if you are flying, flying out of one of the PA/MD airports)? Bill, I sent you a PM.
Ditto.  I'd love to attend another Wild Bill special.

hmm count me interested if someone from NE is driving out, if I could get a ride its possible, but not entirely probable, that I could attend.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on January 01, 2012, 11:39:33 PM
Glad for all the intrest from the NE. Two years ago Brad flew in and last year Alex joined us. The Canadians and Georgia boys have been threatening to join us and I know we will have some Wisconsinits for the first time ever. Could be the biggest yet.

I'm gonna be there! I will probably need to sleep over at the church.

Mike, you are incharge of the mattresses.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: The M on January 02, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
I'm gonna be there! I will probably need to sleep over at the church.
Mike, you are in charge of the mattresses.
I might put David in charge of them like last year because I might still have basketball at that time.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Nameless on January 02, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
I'm gonna be there! I will probably need to sleep over at the church.
Mike, you are in charge of the mattresses.
I might put David in charge of them like last year because I might still have basketball at that time.
I brought all the mattresses up last year and am not doing that again! And I should be there.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on January 04, 2012, 12:36:18 AM
This is an official call to people from the PA/MD area. If anyone is willing to drive, I'm trying to find 2-3 more people willing to make the trip.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on January 04, 2012, 12:41:55 AM
im trying to figure out myself but i don't drive willing to pay gas though since getting to you is rather easy chris
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on January 04, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
Yeah, how much gas would be would depend on how many people we have and what Wild Bill is willing to donate. I estimate somewhere in the range of $50 per person.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: adotson85 on January 04, 2012, 12:48:41 AM
Glad for all the intrest from the NE. Two years ago Brad flew in and last year Alex joined us. The Canadians and Georgia boys have been threatening to join us and I know we will have some Wisconsinits for the first time ever. Could be the biggest yet.

I'm gonna be there! I will probably need to sleep over at the church.

Mike, you are incharge of the mattresses.

TN is going to try its best to make an appearance. Any GA guys going?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on January 04, 2012, 12:51:06 AM
well i have a personal offer of 165 from him based on the cost if i had to do amtrak straight from here so id be willing to use part of those funds to reach you then contribute the rest between gas and food etc

just to be clear to everyone im simply trying to use bills generousity towards me and share the wealth to support a group trip from my state that might be a cheaper way for me to attend im not trying to be or do anything other then help my local friends
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 04, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
This is during my spring break, and I should be there and should be sleeping over.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: RTSmaniac on January 05, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
Quote
TN is going to try its best to make an appearance. Any GA guys going?

Im putting it on the calendar just i case...
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 06, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
I'll be needing a teammate. I'll make the decks, but you'll need the cards. I can help out here and there, but there's no way I can supply both copies IRL.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on January 06, 2012, 03:24:15 PM
if i come can i apply andrew you can make my deck
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on January 08, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
This is during my spring break, and I should be there and should be sleeping over.

It's about time you come to a tournament this year. Their are game nights in January and February if you need cards or if you want to practice before the tournament.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on January 22, 2012, 10:53:24 PM
Funny, but probably too violent to be posted on these boards.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: SomeKittens on January 22, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
It's not too bad (i.e. anything R rated).  I'll allow it.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Prof Underwood on January 23, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
I don't want my kids or someone else's to see that.  Please don't post that again.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Nameless on January 23, 2012, 05:31:56 PM
i hope that Gabe saw it before it was deleted.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Gabe on January 23, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I did. :)

I almost posted a couple different video responses but they all would have been inappropriate in some way so I restrained myself. Simply put, I ain't goin out like dat.  ;)

Clever and funny video, Nate. A little gruesome though.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Professoralstad on January 23, 2012, 10:16:41 PM
I tried to get Nathan to add "We hope you can come experience Minnesota Nice firsthand!" to the end.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 23, 2012, 10:35:04 PM
Nathan, you should message me the video.

I might be going even though I don't have a t2 deck. I plan to go to one of the big tournament this year (so either T2 only, Regionals, MN State, or Nats), just haven't decided which. We'll see.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 23, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Nathan, you should message me the video.
PM sent.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on February 02, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
First out of state confirmation is in:

4 Wisconsin players.

We have been having some good type 2 games at our tournaments. We are ready for all out of state challenger’s.


WB
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on February 03, 2012, 03:31:13 PM
MJB should really post how T2 TEAMS is going to be done.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on February 04, 2012, 12:27:33 PM
im def coming so count at least 1 pa in
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on February 12, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
One month and the fun begins.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 13, 2012, 11:21:46 AM
Two of the people in my car had to drop out, so I have seats. If you're from the NE region and want to carpool from PA to MN, please let me know asap.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: _JM_ on February 13, 2012, 11:32:44 AM
Two of the people in my car had to drop out, so I have seats. If you're from the NE region and want to carpool from PA to MN, please let me know asap.

You have a PM, Chronic.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Nameless on February 13, 2012, 07:25:16 PM
Are we going to see the T2 teams rules soon?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: LadyNobody on February 26, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
The incredible fun that is the Type-2 Only begins in 12 days, but who's counting anyway?  ::)

~Britta
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on February 27, 2012, 04:00:35 AM
I find out my work schedule on Tuesday, if I work either the 9th or 10th, my friend can cover. If they have me scheduled both, then I'm out.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TechnoEthicist on February 27, 2012, 09:31:03 AM
Wish I could make it up there this year, but too many other expenses and conflicts in the way. Hope everyone has a safe and fun time!
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: BubbleBoy on February 27, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Hope everyone has a safe and fun time!
I can guarantee one of those things...
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on February 27, 2012, 11:45:50 PM
Type II TEAMS (Late Friday evening fun event) Proposed Rules

1) Standard T2 deck building rules apply.

2) Each team may present up to two decks (one per team member) to be checked.

3) At the start of each round, each team chooses one deck to use during the game.

4) The Lost Souls in the deck are divided equally between the two team members.*

5) The two team members then divvy up the remaining cards in any amounts or manner they desire.**

6) Except as noted below the game is played using standard TEAMS rules.

7) Standard T2 rule options (e.g., experience credit, rescuer's choice) are in effect.

8 ) The time limit is 1 1/2 hours (of play).

9) For SA (and Identifiers) that activate before a blocker is presented, the word "opponent" and "opponent's" refer to the player against whom the initial rescue attempt is being made. This identification remains in effect until a blocker is presented.***

*For decks with an odd number of lost souls, the team members may decide betwixt themselves how to distribute the odd soul out.

**Yes, one player can hold half the lost souls and no other cards if the team so desires.

***Player A, with six cards in his hand makes a rescue attempt with Parmenas against player B who has eight cards in his hand. Player A may draw two cards even if player B passes the block to player D who has three cards in his hand.

=========================================================
    Let me know if you have any questions/comments/concerns or suggestions.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 28, 2012, 12:08:39 AM
Wait, I'm confused. Both players on a team are sharing one deck that's split in half?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on February 28, 2012, 12:11:37 AM

5) The two team members then divvy up the remaining cards in any amounts or manner they desire.**


This rule, imo, just screams break me. I think everyone remembers the lack of site cap last year. ;) I think an equal distribution of cards would be best.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on February 28, 2012, 12:14:03 AM
Wait, I'm confused. Both players on a team are sharing one deck that's split in half?
Yuppers. Question is, do you go for broken combo, or simple Zebulun stuff.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 28, 2012, 12:17:59 AM
I think T2 Teams should have the same format as T1 Teams: Both players in a team build decks that match the regular T2 deck building rules, including all Lost Souls (with a shared LoB).
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on February 28, 2012, 12:35:41 AM
I think T2 Teams should have the same format as T1 Teams: Both players in a team build decks that match the regular T2 deck building rules, including all Lost Souls (with a shared LoB).
But that's so boring! The whole fun of the T2 only is ridiculous things that wouldn't happen anywhere else. Like Sauce, MJB, and CountFount at the same table of T2 Multiplayer.  ;D
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 28, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
Are those definitely the rules for T2 Teams then? I might drop out if so.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: BubbleBoy on February 28, 2012, 12:07:04 PM
I also vie for half-splitting of decks. A doms + Zebulun deck could break the game. I might even suggest a rule that all good cards must go in one team member's deck and all evil cards must go in the other's (although that might not be as fun, since you would basically have to do the same decks every game, whereas the current rules could allow the teams to switch things up every game).

One question: What happens when a DoU is played? Can Lost Souls redistribute? Should each player just keep his own Lost Souls in his territory to be safe?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on February 28, 2012, 07:13:30 PM
I also vie for half-splitting of decks. A doms + Zebulun deck could break the game. I might even suggest a rule that all good cards must go in one team member's deck and all evil cards must go in the other's (although that might not be as fun, since you would basically have to do the same decks every game, whereas the current rules could allow the teams to switch things up every game).

One question: What happens when a DoU is played? Can Lost Souls redistribute? Should each player just keep his own Lost Souls in his territory to be safe?

I hate it when people have the same ideas as me ;)

I was totally going to build that Zeb deck... And probably just dominate with it.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 28, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
I need to know one way or the other quickly, can we get a definite ruling in the next day or so?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 28, 2012, 07:26:39 PM
It sounds like deck discard is mad broken as well.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on February 28, 2012, 07:27:34 PM
Stop giving out my ideas Olijar. I will troll you to the end of the earth if I have too.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on February 28, 2012, 08:52:46 PM
I don't know that split decks will be that much better. Just seems long and grueling imo, especially after type 2 multi. Personally I would rather do type 2 sealed instead at least that way you don't have to see the same cards for three straight catagories. Musical decks would be cool too.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on February 28, 2012, 10:28:23 PM
COMBO COMBO COMBO COMBO CONGO!!!! could see some play. It wouldn't be difficult to pull it off every turn, and it's a free soul.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on February 28, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Remember everybody thought Type 2 teams would be unworkable and would take forever with regular decks.

Remember also we are starting teams after 3 rounds of multi, so you don't have to play. There will be other games to play also.

Remember this is experimental. We didn't limit sites in type 2 sealed so Alex could beat Gabe.

Remember Matt's a reasonable guy(???????) I'm sure the rules will be tweeked a bit be for the tournament. Thats why he posted them. So give him your feedback. Maybe each deck should be required to have half of the lost souls and half the dominants.

Remember their will be alot of creative minds at the tournament. Why not see who can come up with the best killer combo within the rule. Someone else will figure that out and build a counter deck.

Remember winning team has to buy at Perkins and has to ride with me through the roundabouts to get there.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on February 28, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Remember this is experimental. We didn't limit sites in type 2 sealed so Alex could beat Gabe.
Unfortunately, that caused the legendary Save Que T-Shirt to fall into the hand of one of our greatest opponent's.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on February 28, 2012, 11:28:37 PM
Can Lost Souls redistribute?
No. During a game Lost Souls would not re-distribute. Players could sleeve their shard of the deck differently if they would like.


Note--the actual format of T2-TEAMS is open for discussion, which is why I asked for suggestions...  Let's keep in mind the goals:

1) We have played T2-Booster and T2-Sealed in the past. There were multiple requests for the past couple of years to try T2-TEAMS, so that's why we are here now.

2) We want to make T2-TEAMS a TEAMS event with a distinct T2 flavor (just like T2-Booster and T2-Sealed

3) We want T2-TEAMS to be fun.

Comments on the comments so far...
I think T2 Teams should have the same format as T1 Teams: Both players in a team build decks that match the regular T2 deck building rules, including all Lost Souls (with a shared LoB).
Given that tables of four regularly timeout at 1 1/2 hours in T2-MP how long do you think a game like this would take, Chronic? Four hours? Longer? I just do not believe this is feasible.

This rule, imo, just screams break me. I think everyone remembers the lack of site cap last year. ;) I think an equal distribution of cards would be best.
Low blow, Hobbit.  ;)  The only way site lock would work was if some player traded his sites to his opponent. Since this was T2, I assumed no n00bs would be playing.  My bad.

I was totally going to build that Zeb deck... And probably just dominate with it.
And I was expecting you to build that Zeb deck--simply because it is a completely obvious strategy--so my deck would have multiple copies of Watchful Servant and ways to get him out. You deck out in turn one with seven lost souls available, and either me or my partner (depending who is sitting on your right) are coming in for a free rescue every time.

I completely agree that rule 5 screams out "Please abuse me." I tried to counter that with rule #9, but the consensus seems to be that it will not be enough. So--if we want to try to meet the three goals at the tops--our choices are really three-fold...

1) We scrap deck splitting entirely. If we go this route, you need to provide some way to ensure that the majority of games can be completed in 1 1/2 hours or so (allowing three rounds),

2) We scrap rule #5 (and #9 since it is no longer needed without #5), and come up with some other way to split the decks. I tend to agree with the Hobbit that this will most likely lead to games that feel like you are wading through molasses--so you need to provide some way to minimize the slog effect.

3) We keep rule #5 but provide additional or a better counters to SDCS (i.e., skinny deck combo syndrome). What about replacing #9 with a rule that says when a player decks out he may no longer make a rescue attempt?

Thoughts/ideas/comments?  I'm really not married to anything beyond the three goals at the top.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on February 29, 2012, 12:00:19 AM
Erm...

If this is Teams then my teammate will simply block for me...... Thus why the Zeb deck works.....
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on February 29, 2012, 06:15:48 AM
Erm...

If this is Teams then my teammate will simply block for me...... Thus why the Zeb deck works.....
Erm...

Not unless your teammate has a supply of defenders with a toughness of 0 or less... Believe it or not, I am not so addlepated that I didn't recognize the obvious*...

9) For SA (and Identifiers) that activate before a blocker is presented, the word "opponent" and "opponent's" refer to the player against whom the initial rescue attempt is being made. This identification remains in effect until a blocker is presented.

Actually, the idea that your "opponent" does not change when the opposing TEAM passes the block until an actual blocker is presented is one that would improve regular TEAMS as well. That is, however, another discussion for another day.

*Don't get me wrong. I recognize that I am addlepated**--I am just saying that I am not *that* addlepated.

**I always assumed the first use of the word "addlepated" on these boards would be in a post talking about CountFount.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 29, 2012, 10:53:39 AM
I think T2 Teams should have the same format as T1 Teams: Both players in a team build decks that match the regular T2 deck building rules, including all Lost Souls (with a shared LoB).
Given that tables of four regularly timeout at 1 1/2 hours in T2-MP how long do you think a game like this would take, Chronic? Four hours? Longer? I just do not believe this is feasible.

Teams and multiplayer are entirely different beasts, and a lot of T1 Teams games end up being shorter than regular T12P games depending on the circumstances. T2 Teams would almost certainly be shorter than T2MP would be.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: CountFount on February 29, 2012, 10:58:29 AM
Erm...

If this is Teams then my teammate will simply block for me...... Thus why the Zeb deck works.....
Erm...

Not unless your teammate has a supply of defenders with a toughness of 0 or less... Believe it or not, I am not so addlepated that I didn't recognize the obvious*...

9) For SA (and Identifiers) that activate before a blocker is presented, the word "opponent" and "opponent's" refer to the player against whom the initial rescue attempt is being made. This identification remains in effect until a blocker is presented.

Actually, the idea that your "opponent" does not change when the opposing TEAM passes the block until an actual blocker is presented is one that would improve regular TEAMS as well. That is, however, another discussion for another day.

*Don't get me wrong. I recognize that I am addlepated**--I am just saying that I am not *that* addlepated.

**I always assumed the first use of the word "addlepated" on these boards would be in a post talking about CountFount.

Addlepated- from the Greek- syn. Back stabber.
1) A term used for a team mate that bails out to protect oneself from defeat or to inflict defeat on his once best buddy who always had his back.

i.e. Matt "addlepated" Craig at Nats for a "prior appointment".
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on February 29, 2012, 11:04:49 AM
Teams and multiplayer are entirely different beasts, and a lot of T1 Teams games end up being shorter than regular T12P games depending on the circumstances. T2 Teams would almost certainly be shorter than T2MP would be.

Not in MN. ;)

Type 1 and Type 2 are entirely different beasts. After playing type 2 sealed and type 2 booster draft, the overwhelming belief of the best type 2 players in the world was that teams would be unworkable because of time.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: CountFount on February 29, 2012, 11:06:02 AM
Teams and multiplayer are entirely different beasts, and a lot of T1 Teams games end up being shorter than regular T12P games depending on the circumstances. T2 Teams would almost certainly be shorter than T2MP would be.

Not in MN. ;)

Type 1 and Type 2 are entirely different beasts. After playing type 2 sealed and type 2 booster draft, the overwhelming belief of the best type 2 players in the world was that teams would be unworkable because of time.

I never said that.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on February 29, 2012, 11:10:33 AM
Addlepated- from the Greek- syn. Back stabber.
1) A term used for a team mate that bails out to protect oneself from defeat or to inflict defeat on his once best buddy who always had his back.
i.e. Matt "addlepated" Craig at Nats for a "prior appointment".

And we sure showed him and taught him a lesson by losing three straight games after he addlepated.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: CountFount on February 29, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
Addlepated- from the Greek- syn. Back stabber.
1) A term used for a team mate that bails out to protect oneself from defeat or to inflict defeat on his once best buddy who always had his back.
i.e. Matt "addlepated" Craig at Nats for a "prior appointment".

And we sure showed him and taught him a lesson by losing three straight games after he addlepated.

In recognition of his "addlepation" Maybe we can give him a Judas Iscariot card... Unlimited edition
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on February 29, 2012, 10:13:05 PM
I think T2 Teams should have the same format as T1 Teams: Both players in a team build decks that match the regular T2 deck building rules, including all Lost Souls (with a shared LoB).
Given that tables of four regularly timeout at 1 1/2 hours in T2-MP how long do you think a game like this would take, Chronic? Four hours? Longer? I just do not believe this is feasible.

Teams and multiplayer are entirely different beasts, and a lot of T1 Teams games end up being shorter than regular T12P games depending on the circumstances.
Looking at the round-by-round results from the  last Nationals TEAMS games timed out twice as often as T1-2P and T1-MP (23.3%/all six rounds vs. 12.5%/first six rounds vs. 14.5%/all six rounds). Although there were some TEAMS games (especially the ones I played in :P) that were quicker that T1-2P and T1-MP, on average they were way slower.

Quote
T2 Teams would almost certainly be shorter than T2MP would be.
Why?

Earlier I suggested...
What about replacing #9 with a rule that says when a player decks out he may no longer make a rescue attempt?
Having thought about it, this is pretty weak sauce. RDT would probably just include a couple of copies of Abe's Kid in his Zebulun deck and discard one. On subsequent turns he would use Abe's Kid to search his discard pile for the other copy of Abe's Kid and place it under his deck.   Grrrrrrrrrrr...

What about the following rule?  "No player may make a rescue attempt if he did not draw three cards at the start of his turn."   Any obvious ways to abuse that one?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on February 29, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
I've so moved on, I've got much better ideas for wrecking people.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on February 29, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
I think I may have just broke Type 2 TEAMS. Carry on  ;)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 01, 2012, 11:13:40 PM
I've so moved on, I've got much better ideas for wrecking people.
-and-
I think I may have just broke Type 2 TEAMS. Carry on  ;)

Maybe you two smarty pants should consider devoting your time to making suggestions for better TEAMS rules.   :P




I would have so used the kissy emoticon if it were still available,
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 01, 2012, 11:15:33 PM
It's not available anymore? :(

I don't know what better rules I could come up with, I'm pretty bad at making rules - Only breaking them.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on March 01, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Says the Elder.  ::)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 01, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
I would have so used the kissy emoticon if it were still available,
Don't worry, we still love you  :-*
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 01, 2012, 11:18:59 PM
How do you think I got this status ;)

They figured if I was entrusted with upholding the rules, I wouldn't try to break them anymore.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 02, 2012, 12:28:32 AM
Possible new idea...

Type-2 Progressive TEAMS

1. Each team is made up of two players, each of whom uses a standard T2 deck.

2. TEAMS play starts as normal.

3. After thirty minutes elapse or one team wins five lost souls the game is paused.

4. Each team is assigned a new opponent.

5. The teams move their half of the current game* to their new opponent.

6. The team having the fewest lost souls chooses who goes first, and you resume the game (i.e., go to step 3).

After a set number of swaps, the game ends and the team with the most Lost Souls rescued is declared the victor.

*Their half of the current game.  This includes your deck, discard pile, artifact pile, land o'bondge, land o'redemption territory, set aside area, hands, etc.  You basically pick up your entire game and move.

The advantages of this would be...

1) It's standard T2 (for the most part) so we don't need to worry (any more than usual) about people breaking the game.

2) We can control how long the events run by pre-setting the number of rounds allowing a Perkins run to be fit into the schedule.

3) Each team would get to face new opponents periodically helping to minimize the feel of slogging

4) Chronic would get to play with a full T2 deck. ;)


I dunno, what do all y'all think? Better/worse than original idea?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 02, 2012, 12:31:08 AM
Muahahaha, this sounds like fun. Totally going to play ANB to screw my opponent's over just as we switch.

Would captured characters of your opponent's move with you, seeing as it's in your LoB?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 02, 2012, 12:47:56 AM
Would captured characters of your opponent's move with you, seeing as it's in your LoB?
I was thinking that would be a yes (and the same for any characters exchanged with 7WS or Stalks of Flax).  If someone then played I am Redemption (or whatever) you could then return them to their rightful owners.  Cross-game combos ftw.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 02, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
I'm a big fan of T2Swap instead of T2Teams.

I don't have everything hashed out yet - But the basic idea is that everybody builds a deck, then randomly gets paired with a different deck. Somehow we would need to eliminate the want to simply build a terrible deck, but besides that, it could be fun.


EDIT:

Actually, I remembered the setup that I wanted.

So basically, everybody comes with a deck - You'd have to institute a rule so that the decks are actually good - Then you set up the first pairings. Play a game. Then, rotate half the decks 1 slot to the left, and half the players to the right - Keep score for both the deck, and the player that won the game.

Could be interesting to see the top player, and the top deckbuilder essentially.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 02, 2012, 01:12:00 AM
I would be a fan of progressive and type 2 split. For progressive I am confused how LoR lost souls follow you around though... Still like it.

I'm a big fan of T2Swap instead of T2Teams.

I don't have everything hashed out yet - But the basic idea is that everybody builds a deck, then randomly gets paired with a different deck. Somehow we would need to eliminate the want to simply build a terrible deck, but besides that, it could be fun.


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Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 02, 2012, 01:39:45 AM
I would be a fan of progressive and type 2 split. For progressive I am confused how LoR lost souls follow you around though... Still like it.
My thought was that you would just carry your LoR with you and each TEAM could just record whom each LS was won from. At the end of the game (i.e., after all of the periods have been played), each team would be responsible for returning the rescued lost souls to their original owners.

The other thought was that playing Falling Away would work normally if you played it one either one of your own *or( one of your current opponents' lost souls. Any other lost soul would be removed from the game.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on March 02, 2012, 02:30:48 AM
By the way, for anyone who might have cared, I am not going to be at the T2 Only, and it looks like the two people who were going to go with me (JM and Drrek) will not be able to attend either. I was unsure about the driving 48 hours for 24 hours of play time to begin with, and the lack of tradition rules for Teams (the category I was mostly looking forward to) has scared me off. I hope you all have a wonderful time. :)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on March 02, 2012, 02:39:10 AM
oh well guess its down to me and alex to bring home glory for pa heh
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Chronic Apathy on March 02, 2012, 02:39:52 AM
Alex and Randall both dropped out a month or so ago.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on March 02, 2012, 02:44:24 AM
lol oh well then just me haha pa solitary invasion  oh well im gonna have fun regardless
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 02, 2012, 07:39:33 AM
Would captured characters of your opponent's move with you, seeing as it's in your LoB?
I was thinking that would be a yes (and the same for any characters exchanged with 7WS or Stalks of Flax).  If someone then played I am Redemption (or whatever) you could then return them to their rightful owners.  Cross-game combos ftw.
Same for cards stolen to hand?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 03, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
So Proggressive teams it is?!? Again I like the idea, but how about you have to split your decks evenly, so that we have slightly faster games?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 03, 2012, 08:52:33 PM
I expect progressive teams will end up feeling far more progressive than teams. I like the idea of T2 progressive, but I don't think it should have anything to do with T2 teams.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Nameless on March 03, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
When can we know which variation we are playing?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 03, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
The day of the event probably
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: CountFount on March 03, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
Matt is probably having his chin wiped or his bed pan changed. As soon as he that is done and he takes his meds he will let you know.

Hey Bill Can you call over to the house and have some one push his chair over to the computer!
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 03, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
You'd have to institute a rule so that the decks are actually good
And how do you plan on that? It'd be almost impossible to define it objectively, and if compared to anything I build, everyone would be banned if you determine it subjectively.

Also, it kind of discriminates against those of us that are just going to use a a starter deck shoved together with some filler for the whole tournament.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 03, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
Also, it kind of discriminates against those of us that are just going to use a a starter deck shoved together with some filler for the whole tournament.

Does this mean that you are coming?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 03, 2012, 11:48:09 PM
Probably.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 03, 2012, 11:57:45 PM
Warning, the following contains information too OP for Sauce.
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Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 04, 2012, 12:13:34 AM
It's going to be really disappointing for you when I end up in like 7th place, but I stall you out in the final round so you get 2nd instead of 1st.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 04, 2012, 12:23:21 AM
It's going to be really disappointing for you when I end up in like 7th place, but I stall you out in the final round so you get 2nd instead of 1st.
I'm honored to know you think I can take first.  8)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 04, 2012, 12:29:14 AM
What? I never said you can take 1st. I said that you can take 2nd. Taking 2nd isn't too hard if you get an easy run like I did last year. Didn't play Nathan, didn't play Jordan. Lol.


And I promise to remember to bring my camera this year  :-*
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on March 04, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
lol oh im gonna out troll you both cause im taking first so there
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: MitchRobStew on March 04, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
lol oh im gonna out troll you both cause im taking first so there

Glad that your coming will be great to meet you in person, can't wait to see that MP deck.   :)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on March 04, 2012, 09:51:44 PM
Matt is probably having his chin wiped or his bed pan changed. As soon as he that is done and he takes his meds he will let you know.

Hey Bill Can you call over to the house and have some one push his chair over to the computer!

I was going to corner him in church today but he raised his arms during one of the songs and I passed out. He ran out before I came too.

Probably.

Great. I already have the pairings for the first round of multi player. Allen, Matt, Craig, Mitch, Rob and Stew
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Professoralstad on March 04, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
What? I never said you can take 1st. I said that you can take 2nd. Taking 2nd isn't too hard if you get an easy run like I did last year. Didn't play Nathan, didn't play Jordan. Lol.


And I promise to remember to bring my camera this year  :-*

Probably would have beaten me last year. I was using a pre-Ahimelek Red offense. I think I went 2-3. It wasn't until late March that I developed Jeepers Creepers.

This year its all about NT Blue. Here comes Timon ftw.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on March 04, 2012, 10:07:54 PM
This year its all about NT Blue. Here comes Timon ftw.

Pm me if you want professoralstads deck list. I paid his wife to install a spy cam in his secrete deck building room. (Turtle players can't see green)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 04, 2012, 10:11:19 PM
His best deck doesn't have any neutral cards in it.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 04, 2012, 10:13:46 PM
Pm me if you want professoralstads deck list.
Wow, how did you get your hands on that?


:)
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on March 04, 2012, 10:54:27 PM
Pm me if you want professoralstads deck list.
Wow, how did you get your hands on that?

PM sent
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 04, 2012, 11:07:49 PM
When can we know which variation we are playing?
How about right now?

Unless anyone has any (real strong) objections, let's go with T2 Progressive TEAMS.  That way we can control how long the fun lasts, you get to play the greatest variety of other players, and you get to bring a buddy along to provide a safety blanket in the midst of meeting new people.

So, find a partner and you will each bring a standard T2 deck.  Standard TEAMS rules except every so often we will pick up and move around the room.

At the tournament we can discuss what to do next year in either TEAMS with split decks or random deck assignment or...
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: CountFount on March 05, 2012, 07:14:48 AM
Isn't Matt so wonderful. So above it all. So Gandhi like . So against Violence and name calling. He's my Hero! Your a pink brigade 1/1 CBN Hero Matt.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on March 07, 2012, 12:09:56 AM
See everybody soon.

 I'll be at church by about 4:00pm Friday. Anybody coming from out of town for the first time, PM me so I can give you my cell phone #. Just in case you get lost.

We will start multi player at 7:00pm. If your arriving later than that you can join in when you get there.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Professoralstad on March 07, 2012, 01:24:57 AM
I'll be at church by about 4:00pm Friday. Anybody coming from out of town for the first time, PM me so I can give you my cell phone #. Just in case you get lost.

And in case you notice any roundabouts on your route, you should PM me for my cell number too...Bill has a history with those.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: everytribe on March 11, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
Well the Type 2 Only survived its 7th year. We didn't set a new attendance record but did have 7 rounds of type 2-2 player, which I believe is a new word record for rounds of type 2 played in single tournament. Lots of good games and lots of deck variety, no one type dominated on offense or defense.

Because of the 7 rounds the top players got to play each other which resulted in no one being undefeated.

2012 Top 11 2- Player and the Type of decks they played (24 players -7 rounds)
     
1 - Nathan Voigt               (18pts) Buckler
2 - Jordan Alstad              (15pts) Que
3 - Green Hornet Thorn     (15pts)  Did not give permission to be revealed
4 - Allen Rice                    (15pts)  Choose the Fortress
5 - Martin Miller                (15pts)  Site Lock
6 - MichRobStu                 (15pts)  PMIL
7 - Sir Nobody                  (12pts)   Borrowed Deck
8 - James Roepke             (12pts)   Elders
9 - Jonathan Wagenthecht (12pts)   Triple-play 1
10 - Noah Wagenthecht     (12pts)   Triple-play 2
11 - Andrew Wester           (12pts)   Ignor/Imune

2012 Type 2 - Multi Player (20 players - 3 rounds)

Three way tie for 1st settled by Lost Soul Differential

1 - Nathan Wagenthecht  6 points 19 LSD
1 - Nathan  Alstad           6 points 19 LSD
3 - Nathan Voigt              6 points 18 LSD

Favorite Moment - RDT realizing he played 7 rounds, arguing correctly why he should have third place and then finding out didn't get get any RNS points or prizes because it was just a local tournament.

Most improved player - Jonathan, Nathan and Noah Wagenthecht (will be a force in the future since they can play anytime they want at home, just like the Alstad's)

Most disappointing Finish - Craig "which deck should I use" Fountain dropped out of the top 10 after slowly climbing the leader board the last few years.

Longest distance traveled, Matt Sinclair - 30 hour bus ride from Pennsylvania (at this posting Matt is still on the bus)

Great to hang out with the type 2 Redemption Family again,
Wild Bill
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 11, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
Wow. Getting destroyed by Tim last round really hurt my standings...if Craig wasn't such a bad deck builder...
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 12, 2012, 12:55:32 AM
PMIL ftw.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: christiangamer25 on March 12, 2012, 06:01:22 AM
yeah had fun still gonna tweak my idea for nats though stupid genyptians oh noes rips hair out lol  :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: adotson85 on March 13, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
Any tourney reports?
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 13, 2012, 06:47:47 PM
Nope.

We swore a blood oath whilst at the tournament to never reveal the contents of another one of the players decks.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 13, 2012, 09:13:20 PM
I was using a Assyrian-Magician defense with an Isaiah-lite offense, fwiw. Ring Wraith was using a Lamenting deck.
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 14, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha.  Lamenting deck
Title: Re: MN Type 2 Only Blowout 2012
Post by: SomeKittens on March 14, 2012, 09:38:51 AM
I just imagined Westy's deck sitting at the deck check table, sobbing.

"Oh, boo hoo!  I'll never win with such a n00b piloting me!"
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