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Actually I never said MTG is an innocent card game. Why else would I be playing it but to get guys who are immersed in that culture out of it. I guess if you didn't catch my biblical inferences so I can make a more blatant one. I am in MTG but not of MTG...get it? We have to be willing to get dirty and go where people, who are away from God, gather. I actually sold a bulk of my MTG cards and used the money to further the Redemption ministry at the store. I think that your reluctance to tell people how to live their lives is good since they have to work out their own faith in fear and trembling.

wrong. i am not a sorcerer. i am not playing the part of a sorcerer. i am not acting like im a sorcerer. i am playing a GAME that just so happens to depict completely unreal magical elements. MUCH in the same vein redemption contains the exact same material. do we accuse each other of being sorcerers everytime we assume control and block with simon the magician? if no, then the EXACT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS is easily extended to mtg. if yes, then enough with the hypocrisy.

driving a volvo also does not glorify god. 'not one piece'. i suppose thats also wrong using your exact line of thought.

To be blunt, during the debates that I have seen you take part in in the past I thought highly of your intelligence and your will to get to the bottom of an issue.

This has all changed.

You are blatantly disregarding everything I have said, and everything others have said, ranting your little "you're a hypocrite because Simon the Magician is a sorcerer" deal without actually addressing the DIRECT refutation that I stated, and others have stated and it's getting a little tiresome. You refuse to read the comments (or perhaps you did read but just didn't respond to them) that myself and others have made and stand by your defense of a game that you play.

If you're going to enter a discussion, call people hypocrites, and defend a game on a Christian forum that many (maybe not you but many including the moderators) have deemed unacceptable for young Christian men and women, you'd better have good arguments. You have none, and technically you should be warned for you defense of a topic that has been deemed by the leaders of this board as unacceptable to discuss.

Now unlike you, I'd like to respond to the argument my "opponent" has made. You say it's the exact same thing, yet you refuse to respond to the fact that in Redemption, they disdain and do not accept Simon the Magician. He is an EVIL CHARACTER: if this is not a clear distinction between good and evil, what is? In MTG everything is acceptable; the magic is GOOD.

Please read this, and think before you respond again. Or better yet, obey the rules of these forums and don't defend the game at all.

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on May 20, 2010, 04:54:33 PM

Find whatever excuse in your mind that makes it feel alright to you to play MTG, but as I have repeatedly pointed out, not one piece of MTG glorifies God. 

That's a dangerous path to go down.  I can argue that in the simple game of battleship, not one piece glorifies God.  In fact, you are trying to "destroy" your opponent.  Does that make it evil?

I would argue that the part of Redemption that TRULY glorifies God is the fellowship, the joy, the laughter, using God's talents and analytical skills and our minds to the best of our ability, and the peace that comes from doing something we enjoy/are good at as a break from work.  The fact that Redemption teaches that we should seek to "save lost souls" and that the Bible is truly God's Word is a bonus.  I'm not saying that they are less important, I'm saying that they can't be compared.  Redemption has a quality about it that ALL sports, card games, board games, etc. have that glorify God, and Redemption (in this area) is equal to, say, volleyball.  I love volleyball, I have a passion for the game, and I when I play, I'm not thinking about "rescuing lost souls" or that God's Word is true.  I'm just enjoying the talents that God has given me, and through my interactions with my friends/family when I play, I bless them and am blessed in return.  That is God's gift to us.  

Please don't try to take too much of this, but I seriously wonder if the same can exist in a MTG game.  Actually, I believe it can.  Just like anything else, MTG could be used for evil, but ANYTHING can be evil if it becomes a god in your life.  TV is an easy example.  I don't believe a TV is inherently evil, but they can sure come between us and God.  Does that mean we should all throw out our TVs?  No.

I think this thread needs a serious dose of Romans 14.  Ever since I read that chapter and listened to what God laid on my heart, I have been able to be at peace with so many things...  Not that I accept or condone them, but that I can trust that it is up to God to judge other Christians' hearts, not me, and it is not necessary for my faith in Christ that everyone believe the same things I do.

Funny story.  My cousin, back in Junior High, thought the game of Magic was pretty cool, but he adamantly believed it was evil.  So he made his own solution.  Literally.  He made his own game that was basically the same (lands, creatures, tap lands to play creatures), but he changed all the names of everything so that it wasn't "magical" in any way.  Him, his brother, me, and my brothers all literally designed our own cards and played.  My cousin named his game "Fuzzpuffs".  Was his game evil?  What about considering that Fuzzpuffs was his way, his "outlet", to play Magic in every way except that it wasn't called magic?  

I like to think of this as the "baseball bat" scenario.  You can own a baseball bat, and play baseball with it, or you can use it to smash mailboxes.
Is MTG directly worshiping statan/the occult?  No.
Can it be bad/used for evil things?  Very yes.