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We need a rule check on Disqualifications.  My deck accidentally became illegal Mid-game (Due to Haman's Plot and 2 other cards).  Obviously that disqualified me from the game, but does that disqualify me from the entire tournament?

-C_S 

What tournament? Did they tell you that with HP you would be illegal? What is the exact scenario?

It's a local tourney.  Mid-game, I realized that I had multiple copies of 2 Dominants (52 card deck).  This brought my deck total to 50 cards.  Upon using HP, my deck total then dropped to 49 cards, thus making it officially illegal.  I DQ'd that game, but does that type of thing DQ me for the whole tournament?

-C_S

That is a interesting that happen. Although it didn't happen to us in CA, but I think you are disqualified for that category, therefore, you are still be able to participate in other categories. Tourney Judges, please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.

Yeah, one of the reasons I messed up was that I switched decks between categories and seeing as I only have single copies of certain Doms with me, I accidentally put in a second SoG instead of NJ.  Also, I put in a second AotL by mistake because I did have 2 of those and the artwork was different (Plus, I didn't pay enough attention... Rookie mistake I suppose.)

We're in the final category, and there's only 3 of us in the tourney, so if I'm DQ'd from the category, it's no big deal to me haha.

**UPDATE: The other rounds have finished and since we haven't received an Elder/Rulebook Ruling, I will have to forfeit since I don't have a side-deck registered. Still interested to have a ruling on this though.**

-C_S

I remember, one time I was playing, because the previous game has two of the same color protector, the next round started, but I was missing three lost souls, and I didn't find out, therefore I won the game. Later when my judge find out, he allowed me to put back the souls and play again, then I lost. So he didn't DQ me, but allow us to restart a game it was because in our last game, the finalist played early, so we have time to play more. That is all. Thank you.

ML.

We need a rule check on Disqualifications.  My deck accidentally became illegal Mid-game (Due to Haman's Plot and 2 other cards).  Obviously that disqualified me from the game, but does that disqualify me from the entire tournament?

-C_S 

From p. 11 of the Tournament Guide
At the conclusion of each game within a match a player may ask a referee or a judge to re-check an opponent’s deck for legality. If the deck is found to be illegal in any way, the player automatically forfeits the game. (NOTE: If the judge feels the illegal deck was non-deliberate/unintentional, the judge may decline the forfeiture and call for a rematch. If a rematch is called for, the player must make his deck legal and then take one lost soul from his deck and give it to his opponent to place in his opponent’s land of redemption. The opponent will start will one redeemed lost soul advantage.) Furthermore, if a rematch game would, in the opinion of the judge, be too disruptive to the tournament schedule, the judge may choose to award any lost soul cards missing from the player’s deck to the opponent’s final score for that game.

From p. 11 of the Tournament Guide
At the conclusion of each game within a match a player may ask a referee or a judge to re-check an opponent’s deck for legality. If the deck is found to be illegal in any way, the player automatically forfeits the game. (NOTE: If the judge feels the illegal deck was non-deliberate/unintentional, the judge may decline the forfeiture and call for a rematch. If a rematch is called for, the player must make his deck legal and then take one lost soul from his deck and give it to his opponent to place in his opponent’s land of redemption. The opponent will start will one redeemed lost soul advantage.) Furthermore, if a rematch game would, in the opinion of the judge, be too disruptive to the tournament schedule, the judge may choose to award any lost soul cards missing from the player’s deck to the opponent’s final score for that game.

Thank you for that.  I personally didn't know about the tournament guide haha. I'll remind our local hosts to review it.

Any games you played with a legal deck should count.

Ok, but it went illegal in the first round and I didn't know what to do, so I forfeited the category because I hadn't legally won/lost any type 1 2-player matches.  We did count my multiplayer games because I had used a different deck.  Thank you for letting me know that part though.   -C_S

It seems to me that this is a problem with the judge/deck checker. Two of the same dominant should have DEFINITELY been noticed, especially Son of God. I would have thought the same thing as you did with no knowledge of any tournament rules.

Quote from: lightningninja on July 25, 2010, 05:58:37 PM

It seems to me that this is a problem with the judge/deck checker.

They were too busy trash talking.... 

"I had to get permission from my parole officer just to be at this tournament today."

Lol...  More like:

"I'm gonna win; even if it means I get 5 to 10!"  Just kidding.

Well, Jon said he'd scrutinize the decks a little harder, especially the Doms, after what happened.

-C_S

On page 10 on the tournament guide, it gives a list of order that each player "must have their deck organized." Mayby next time they can follow this guide so it won't happen again.

my deck was in the correct order, I just didn't double check the cards.

The point is that the host/judge should have checked the deck. You should never be the only one who checks your own deck.

If there aren't enough people to have a non-playing human judge, then simply let each person check the deck of the person on their right.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 26, 2010, 03:43:10 PM

The point is that the host/judge should have checked the deck. You should never be the only one who checks your own deck.

If there aren't enough people to have a non-playing human judge, then simply let each person check the deck of the person on their right.

that's what we basically did, and unfortunately, both of us missed the obvious. We're going to be a lot more careful from now on. -C_S

If it happens again, you will have to walk the plank of a Cutter.