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How do you feel about Top Cut having seen it in action?

I liked it, and would advise using Top Cut again next year
I liked it, but would prefer using pure Swiss next year
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Offline EmJayBee83

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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2013, 12:28:04 AM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on August 11, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
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This seems to me to be more of an indictment of the draw-dependency of Redemption than on the Top Cut format.

Not disagreeing, but because draw-dependency is a reality in Redemption (though I believe it has gotten way better in recent years) we should take that into account when deciding on tournament formats.
I guess my question to you and mjware is... Is your primary concern that the top seed lost a round and was knocked from the tournament or is is that the top seed lost a round "due to a single bad draw" and was knocked from the tournament? Would you have raised the same point if the eight-seed had advanced following a close fought 5-4 game with both players getting average draws?

If the answer to the last question is, "No," then I would suggest that the tournament format is not the real issue here.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2013, 12:34:45 AM »
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Would you have raised the same point if the eight-seed had advanced following a close fought 5-4 game with both players getting average draws?

Yes. It was more about a player with one loss being knocked out while a player with two losses can end up winning it all.

One idea I had while we were discussing Top Cut on the way home was having Top Cut be double elimination but with any player who has 2 losses going into Top Cut already considered to have one loss.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2013, 01:16:51 PM »
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 +1  What I stated was more of an example. I dislike the concept of a person who could be undefeated going in to the cut rounds then losing in the first round.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2013, 01:25:05 PM »
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I dislike the concept of people riding easy strength of schedules to the top of Swiss in comparison to other players that made it to the top with considerably harder strength of schedules. Top cut solves this.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2013, 02:07:16 PM »
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If you go 7-0 and then lose in top cut you don't deserve to place. That's like complaining about losing a home playoff game in wild card weekend after your had a great NFL season.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2013, 04:06:42 PM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit on August 12, 2013, 02:07:16 PM
That's like complaining about losing a home playoff game in wild card weekend after your had a great NFL season.
Hey!  After the Packers went 15-1 in the 2011 regular season, the Giants *should have been* required to win 2 out of 3 at Lambeau.


To The Guardian and mjware--I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought since you mentioned the bad draw that it was part of why you felt the outcome was less than ideal.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2013, 04:29:54 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on August 12, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
Hey!  After the Packers went 15-1 in the 2011 regular season, the Giants *should have been* required to win 2 out of 3 at Lambeau.

As a Patriots fan, I second this.  ;)
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2013, 04:31:40 PM »
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The reward for the top swiss finisher in a top cut is they get the easiest schedule.
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2013, 07:31:04 PM »
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Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 11, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
It is always fun to see a game between two top players.  In fact before the day started there was a crowd of people watching a pick-up game between Gabe Isbell and Jon Greeson for just that reason.
FWIW: That game and the crowd made me feel like I was in Top Cut though I didn't get a chance to try to play for it.  Had I known the crowd would form then I would have spent a couple extra minutes to locate my primary deck and play with it.   It turned out to be a great game which Gabe always provides...too bad my Son of God was buried (and Gabe's Naz was out...smart move) which allowed Gabe to capitalize on.  I was thankful that we were able to get that game in.   :)
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Re: Top Cut Feedback
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2013, 09:19:48 AM »
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7. Would you have watched the Top Cut matches if you were able?
Yes. If Top Cut had one major flaw this year, it was that the ending was anti-climatic because nobody was allowed to watch the games. Many people (even those like Westy, Olijar, and I) who pushed hard for Top Cut lost interest and went to play another game or do other stuff because there was no point in just sticking around. Either a crowd needs to be allowed (and remain silent or be removed from the room without warning) and the players can simply get over it, or some kind of closed-circuit system should be put in place.

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