Author Topic: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN) (Read 43468 times)

goalieking87 · « **Reply #75 on:** April 27, 2019, 01:17:23 AM »

Quote from: Lampy 2.0 on April 27, 2019, 12:48:47 AM

I know this is a dumb question, but is preregistration possible this year? If so, I'd like to do it.

I am a firm believer that there is such a thing as a dumb question (although I also appreciate the sentiment of the expression that there is not). However, this would not be one of them.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #76 on:** April 30, 2019, 06:44:45 AM »

Will the new participant promos be tournament legal at Nats? Meaning once you receive a set for completing a category can you put then in your deck for the next one?

Gabe · « **Reply #77 on:** April 30, 2019, 08:54:05 AM »

Quote from: dermo4christ on April 30, 2019, 06:44:45 AM

Will the new participant promos be tournament legal at Nats? Meaning once you receive a set for completing a category can you put then in your deck for the next one?

Since both cards will be available prior to Nats with different art I don’t see why not. But the final decision isn’t up to me.

RyanErtmer · « **Reply #78 on:** May 03, 2019, 10:36:08 AM »

If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

The Guardian · « **Reply #79 on:** May 03, 2019, 11:11:51 AM »

Quote from: RyanErtmer on May 03, 2019, 10:36:08 AM

If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

"Well you seem Timmy, you drafted 15 Heroes, and Johnny only drafted 3 Heroes, so we're going to give him 6 of yours..."

777Godspeed · « **Reply #80 on:** May 03, 2019, 11:17:57 AM »

"... and because National Champs are so successful and in the top 1% we are gonna subsidize you by taking one of their decks and giving it to you. We are generous on their behalf."

Godspeed,
Mike

goalieking87 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 03, 2019, 11:43:19 AM »

So, I hate politics because... well, it’s political.

Anyway, while I can appreciate the humor of the comments that have been made, I do want to point out that the comments could end up inadvertently offending people. Besides hijacking the Nats thread, while I believe all of the comments so far have been in jest, it would probably be best for them not to go any further.

For clarification, I am not offended in the least. I try to stay out of politics and am not easily offended by extremes on either side. I am simply trying to make sure we are respectful and not create unnecessary Strife.

In regard to 2P vs MP booster, I think it’s interesting that 2P votes have significantly exceeded MP votes. Personally, I think more strategy is required in 2P than MP because you actually have to build a solid deck (which I am guessing is the original intent of booster) rather than just get the strongest Heroes and no defense. I also appreciate 2P from the standpoint of collection purposes because you can intentionally draft a defensive card without feeling like you are sacrificing your ability to win any games because you didn’t get that mediocre offensive card that has big numbers.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #82 on:** May 03, 2019, 12:04:54 PM »

I like 2 player booster solely because of the intrinsic flaw multi player Redemption has: you can lose without ever interacting with the winning player. In constructed this is slightly helped by dominants so you usually get at least some interaction options but in booster those basically don't exist.

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #83 on:** May 03, 2019, 12:31:29 PM »

So far pretty good turn out on the poll that has only been up a week. I'm going to leave it for at least another week, just to see if there is any swaying. I'm totally fine with trying to convince other people for your side of the fence for booster, just don't do it here please! Anyways, after this poll is done we will be voting on what sets we would like to see in booster, followed by a very interesting and possibly new feature at Nationals (after the sets)!

Master Q · « **Reply #84 on:** May 03, 2019, 01:15:52 PM »

Even though I abhor our 'PC' culture, yes, our posts were joking. You could easily swap liberal for the other side and it could still work (maybe even more so).

I made my stance on 2p vs Mp booster some time ago, so I won't go digging that up. It's just a shame that my favorite category is being warped into something else. But I won't make a big deal out of it if the majority leans that way. If both were offered it would be perfect, but I'm not too interested in making the trip to nats to play something I don't enjoy.

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 03, 2019, 01:28:06 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on May 03, 2019, 01:15:52 PM

Even though I abhor our 'PC' culture, yes, our posts were joking. You could easily swap liberal for the other side and it could still work (maybe even more so).

I made my stance on 2p vs Mp booster some time ago, so I won't go digging that up. It's just a shame that my favorite category is being warped into something else. But I won't make a big deal out of it if the majority leans that way. If both were offered it would be perfect, but I'm not too interested in making the trip to nats to play something I don't enjoy.

I'm hoping for the day where we can have both types of Booster offered. Obviously for that to happen we would have to split it at ALL tournament levels for the RNRS points to go to the correct place. As crazy as it is, I would actually play both boosters over the other categories.

The Guardian · « **Reply #86 on:** May 03, 2019, 01:31:18 PM »

At one point I suggested replacing T1 MP with Booster MP (and thus offering both 2P and MP Booster).

I don't dislike T1 MP like some do, but I do think Booster MP would be the more popular category of the two.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #87 on:** May 04, 2019, 04:03:46 PM »

Quote from: RyanErtmer on May 03, 2019, 10:36:08 AM

If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

Jehoshaphat....Imo, 2-player booster is better when there are inexperienced players in the field, and multi boost is better when everyone knows what to do (and can remember what to do Ryan). If that doesn't change your mind I'll your dip your Leviathan collection in Tartaros sauce and make you eat it.

RyanErtmer · « **Reply #88 on:** May 14, 2019, 08:20:25 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on May 04, 2019, 04:03:46 PM

Quote from: RyanErtmer on May 03, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

Jehoshaphat....Imo, 2-player booster is better when there are inexperienced players in the field, and multi boost is better when everyone knows what to do (and can remember what to do Ryan). If that doesn't change your mind I'll your dip your Leviathan collection in Tartaros sauce and make you eat it.

Sounds tasty bring it on!

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #89 on:** May 27, 2019, 10:16:09 AM »

Alright everyone,

We have some big news I meant to present before today, but at least it is here now. We want to see what you want to do during our Type 1 day on Friday. There are multiple ideas on what can be done, but want to give everyone a voice and have them discuss what they would like to do and get a feel for people for people who have dealt with the current ideas. So we have 5 ideas for how we could finish out they Type 1 tournament.

1) X rounds of Swiss, just like was done before we started top cut, and what every non-National tournament uses.

2) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people. This is what we have done currently.

3) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, but finish on Saturday. This is basically the way we play now but the difference would be that this allows the people who top cut to unwind, relax, sleep and recharge before playing the most important and possibly stressful games the next day.

4) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, play best 2/3 on Saturday. So this continues the opportunity to allow the top cut people to sleep and refocus, but allows us to implement the 2 out of 3 system. This would have to go to the next day due to the amount of time it would take.

5) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, play double elimination on Saturday. This was a brand new idea that we liked and wanted to see what others thought. Again, it gives everyone a chance to sleep and rest, then allows at least 2 games per person that top cut, and allows them to have "one off game" and still have a chance to win.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #90 on:** May 27, 2019, 11:05:25 AM »

Quote from: Crashfach2002 on May 27, 2019, 10:16:09 AM

Alright everyone,

We have some big news I meant to present before today, but at least it is here now. We want to see what you want to do during our Type 1 day on Friday. There are multiple ideas on what can be done, but want to give everyone a voice and have them discuss what they would like to do and get a feel for people for people who have dealt with the current ideas. So we have 5 ideas for how we could finish out they Type 1 tournament.

1) X rounds of Swiss, just like was done before we started top cut, and what every non-National tournament uses.

2) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people. This is what we have done currently.

3) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, but finish on Saturday. This is basically the way we play now but the difference would be that this allows the people who top cut to unwind, relax, sleep and recharge before playing the most important and possibly stressful games the next day.

4) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, play best 2/3 on Saturday. So this continues the opportunity to allow the top cut people to sleep and refocus, but allows us to implement the 2 out of 3 system. This would have to go to the next day due to the amount of time it would take.

5) X rounds of Swiss then top cut X people, play double elimination on Saturday. This was a brand new idea that we liked and wanted to see what others thought. Again, it gives everyone a chance to sleep and rest, then allows at least 2 games per person that top cut, and allows them to have "one off game" and still have a chance to win.

I'd be very excited to see Bo3 games in Redemption. There have been so many times I've thought about how different year's top cuts likely would have played out differently in a scenario with Bo3 and it would be awesome to see it actually happen.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #91 on:** May 27, 2019, 11:39:28 AM »

I like 3,4, or 5 but prefer 5 because it is easier to get a bad matchup in a robust meta. I don't value your opinion if you like 1)

@CrashFach, you should change the voting to 3 options. Swiss, Current top-cut, and #4+#5. Then make an executive decisions with the ~~PtB~~ Redemption electoral college if 4+5 wins. Currently you are splitting votes.

Cnakeeyes · « **Reply #92 on:** May 27, 2019, 12:15:36 PM »

The real question for me is if we do a 2day option does it mean who ever makes it cant play in Saturday's categories or will it take place before

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #93 on:** May 27, 2019, 12:22:48 PM »

Quote from: Cnakeeyes on May 27, 2019, 12:15:36 PM

The real question for me is if we do a 2day option does it mean who ever makes it cant play in Saturday's categories or will it take place before

The 2 day options would basically take all day Saturday, so those that play in top cut couldn't play the other categories.

Sean · « **Reply #94 on:** May 27, 2019, 12:43:53 PM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on May 27, 2019, 12:22:48 PM

Quote from: Cnakeeyes on May 27, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
The real question for me is if we do a 2day option does it mean who ever makes it cant play in Saturday's categories or will it take place before

The 2 day options would basically take all day Saturday, so those that play in top cut couldn't play the other categories.

I feel like this is a good thing.

Cnakeeyes · « **Reply #95 on:** May 27, 2019, 01:00:48 PM »

I disagree. I for one will not play t1 if a 2 day option wins because I'm not willing to miss a 3rd category and potentially only get 1 or 2 games on the 3rd day.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #96 on:** May 27, 2019, 01:34:25 PM »

Why can't top cut go until 11pm on Friday night with (option #4)? All the people that make top cut stay up late anyways and go out to eat. Then they can play on Saturday. If you want to extend it to Saturday it should be double elimination AND 2/3 right?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #97 on:** May 27, 2019, 01:44:15 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on May 27, 2019, 01:34:25 PM

Why can't top cut go until 11pm on Friday night with (option #4)? All the people that make top cut stay up late anyways and go out to eat. Then they can play on Saturday. If you want to extend it to Saturday it should be double elimination AND 2/3 right?

That is not at all accurate.

Bobbert · « **Reply #98 on:** May 27, 2019, 02:04:38 PM »

I'm not sure I like the idea of anyone who wants to do well in T12P having to be okay with not playing Teams/Multi/Sealed. It means that anyone who's excited for Saturday's categories (and/or they stand a chance at doing well for RNRS) has incentive to not play to their best ability on Friday, which is something that I think we want to avoid. On the other side of the spectrum, I for one know I would be very put out if my Teams partner and I were planning decks/strategies beforehand and he managed to make top cut. I'd be happy for him but at the same time be incredibly disappointed that we didn't get to play Teams together.

In principle I love 4 and 5, but I'm not sure I like this suggestion for implementing them.

Cnakeeyes · « **Reply #99 on:** May 27, 2019, 02:10:02 PM »

Quote from: Bobbert on May 27, 2019, 02:04:38 PM

I'm not sure I like the idea of anyone who wants to do well in T12P having to be okay with not playing Teams/Multi/Sealed. It means that anyone who's excited for Saturday's categories (and/or they stand a chance at doing well for RNRS) has incentive to not play to their best ability on Friday, which is something that I think we want to avoid. On the other side of the spectrum, I for one know I would be very put out if my Teams partner and I were planning decks/strategies beforehand and he managed to make top cut. I'd be happy for him but at the same time be incredibly disappointed that we didn't get to play Teams together.

In principle I love 4 and 5, but I'm not sure I like this suggestion for implementing them.

This is exactly what I meant. I like the 2 day options just not the potential forfeiting a 3rd category. You would pretty much be telling those who do good Friday "you did good now you get to play less"

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