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Title: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Nameless on April 15, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
Does any one now when it will be held?  If not, when will it be announced?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: jbeers285 on April 15, 2014, 08:54:56 PM
Iowa, Gabe is hosting as far as I know dates aren't set
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: BigAMc on April 15, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
How is the location for Nationals determined? I'm not qualified (by any means) to host/judge that level of a tourney but we have a great facility (church) that would work really well for hosting games and I would be honored to have it here. I'm the Youth Minister on staff and we have about 7-10 students who are actively playing the game on a regular basis. I'm just curious for future years. Any info would be great...
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: jbeers285 on April 15, 2014, 09:53:32 PM
Location is huge, facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church, air ports close, capable hosts and judges, food, tourism and number of players within a 5-6hr driving distance all seem to matter.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 15, 2014, 11:38:20 PM
facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church
These never used to matter.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: soul seeker on April 16, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
In addition to what has been posted:
   Where you are located Regionally matters, Rob tries to spread it around the country.  Midwest is due and since they put in a bid, then they are likely to get it (which is why Iowa was said with confidence).  You can still put in a bid (because I think you are the Chicago guy), but typically (and I may be wrong) a bid for Nats is put in by January so the kinks and preparations can be worked out.

Mentioning of bid: once you think you have the necessary criteria, then you email and/or PM Rob Anderson requesting to host Nats and list why you are a good spot to have Nats.   Rob makes a decision and it is announced around this time of year.

I'm not qualified (by any means) to host/judge that level of a tourney...Any info would be great...
Oh, you don't have to be the main guy or even judge as long as you have experienced people to come along side of you to do it/help.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: RTSmaniac on April 16, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church
These never used to matter.

Did you get to experience the tent showers?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 16, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church
These never used to matter.

Did you get to experience the tent showers?
In TN?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: dermo4christ on April 16, 2014, 06:57:57 PM
facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church
These never used to matter.

Did you get to experience the tent showers?

lol! Those were definitely interesting!!! That and my air mattress that deflated itself every AM of the tournament was soooo awesome, sarcastically speaking....:)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: RTSmaniac on April 18, 2014, 09:47:03 PM
facility/access to showers,  possibility of people staying at the church
These never used to matter.

Did you get to experience the tent showers?
In TN?
NY
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: Chris on April 21, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
An Elder told me ages ago that Iowa was definitely confirmed at the T2 Only this year. What's very disconcerting is that a formal announcement has never come this late. Any potential Nats is going to take place only 3-4 months after the announcement, and that's if it was announced today. I'm doing my best to be there, as I know a lot of other people will, but the smaller the gap is, the less likely I'll be able to make it. Can someone with inside knowledge please clarify dates or something so people can start planning?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: Minion of Jesus on April 21, 2014, 05:29:45 PM
Yes please. I really want to attend, but a date would be extremely nice to have.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: TheJaylor on April 21, 2014, 06:06:50 PM
I believe (yes, that says "believe" so I'm not 100% sure) that it was said that it will likely be July 31-August 2. However if it matters to anyone I'd rather it not be then because then I will likely not be able to go...  :-\

EDIT: Keep in mind though that that's definitely not official and you probably want to wait until an official proclamation before planning.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: joeychips on May 03, 2014, 09:52:32 AM
If the first week in August is when Nationals takes place somewhere in the Midwest, that would work great for my schedule and a number of other players with us in Chicago. I look forward to hearing more about this!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: RTSmaniac on May 04, 2014, 02:15:06 AM
So it's May, what's the hold up?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats
Post by: MrMiYoda on May 04, 2014, 07:10:35 AM
Peace and blessings all.

On behalf of Rob, I'd like to formally announce that the latest anticipated hosting venue for Nats 2014 has backed out due to last minute unforeseen circumstances.  We pray for peace in the hearts of the hosts as they face their current trials.

At the moment, and in short notice, a few hosts have already began preparing their hosting proposals.  Please pray that God grant tremendous grace to such hosts to have peace with all the pressure of getting venue approvals done in short notice, as well as logistical preparations.

We expect a decision and an announcement for the official Nats 2014 venue by the end of May.

If you get this message and have not yet been invited to bid for Nats 2014 hosting, please PM me your E-mail address and name.  I will E-mail you easy-to-follow guidelines to prepare your proposal and bid (fyi, the bid is not a $ bid).  Please look at the last weekend in July up to the second weekend in August in planning your proposal.  I pray for blessings in your discernment towards your decision to step up to the call to host Nats 2014.

Sincere apologies to those who may have been inconvenienced.

Please keep Nats 2014 in your prayers.  I have myself great faith that this year's Nats will indeed be truly memorable and blessed.  God is good, and He always provides. 

Thank you.

Your Brother in Redemption,
Roy
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: jbeers285 on May 04, 2014, 07:56:16 AM
Roy, thank you for the update. Can you mention who you know for sure is working on bids?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Chris on May 04, 2014, 11:57:36 AM
Thank you for the update Roy.

I'll be frank, if the usual venue is up for it, it should just be given to MN this year. It's close to Iowa as it is, and I believe that high attendance numbers are vital given the circumstances, and MN is the only location guaranteed to have good attendance.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Master KChief on May 04, 2014, 01:30:11 PM
Agreed. I'm all for fairness, but Nats should be held in locations that encourage high player turnout.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Minion of Jesus on May 04, 2014, 02:25:32 PM
Totally. Since it can't be in WI, MN is next best.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Nameless on May 04, 2014, 09:17:37 PM
I am in full support of MN on the same days.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: TheJaylor on May 05, 2014, 12:11:35 AM
I am in full support of MN on the same days.
You realize that's the week of VBS, right?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 05, 2014, 06:26:16 AM
I would love for it to be in Minnesota again.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: whiteandgold7 on May 05, 2014, 06:53:20 AM
I'm just happy that it will be somewhere.  I don't think that i'll be able to attend this year, but i'm bidding on Nationals 2015 in Florida.  :)

Hope to see you all there
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: jbeers285 on May 05, 2014, 10:34:47 AM
Is there a large player base in FL?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: AJ on May 05, 2014, 11:28:29 AM
Is there a large player base in FL?

I think YMT has a good sized group and Florida has never had Nationals before.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 05, 2014, 11:30:03 AM
What about IL?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: soul seeker on May 05, 2014, 11:35:52 AM
If we are sharing opinions, then I like IL better than MN. 
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 05, 2014, 01:27:52 PM
Is there a large player base in FL?

I think YMT has a good sized group and Florida has never had Nationals before.
The issue is a lack of venue down here more than anything. Fl has about 10-15 players I believe.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 05, 2014, 02:25:13 PM
Does anybody exist in IL?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Minion of Jesus on May 05, 2014, 02:28:08 PM
Does anybody exist in IL?

Not anybody real.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 05, 2014, 04:49:34 PM
Is there a large player base in FL?

I think YMT has a good sized group and Florida has never had Nationals before.
The issue is a lack of venue down here more than anything. Fl has about 10-15 players I believe.

We were consistently in the 20s for major tournaments, but venue is an issue. My house can hold up to 25 players comfortably, so we have used that primarily. The church I used a couple of times has plenty of room, but only one set of bathrooms and no showers. My house, by comparison, has three full bathrooms. I also have a pool, so we can do Roman-style bathing.  ;)

We certainly have plenty of cheap hotels (or expensive ones if you're that kind), one of the busiest international airports in the world, restaurants galore, and magical entertainment only found at the Vacation Capital of the World. So people would be more likely to come here for a full vacation, and just happen to pop in for the Redemption Tournament.

I have looked around, but I just don't have the money to rent a venue. There are certainly plenty of options. It's a shame that the humongous churches in this area are so aversive to Redemption. I wish I could do more.

Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 08, 2014, 04:25:28 PM
I am taking it all in here. Would love to get Chicago on the map as a future National Tournament host someday.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 08, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
Does anybody exist in IL?

Yes, there are definitely players in Illinois. I can vouch for those in the Chicago area. I just don't think they're on the boards at all.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: whiteandgold7 on May 09, 2014, 12:05:52 AM
Is there a large player base in FL?

I think YMT has a good sized group and Florida has never had Nationals before.
The issue is a lack of venue down here more than anything. Fl has about 10-15 players I believe.

We were consistently in the 20s for major tournaments, but venue is an issue. My house can hold up to 25 players comfortably, so we have used that primarily. The church I used a couple of times has plenty of room, but only one set of bathrooms and no showers. My house, by comparison, has three full bathrooms. I also have a pool, so we can do Roman-style bathing.  ;)

We certainly have plenty of cheap hotels (or expensive ones if you're that kind), one of the busiest international airports in the world, restaurants galore, and magical entertainment only found at the Vacation Capital of the World. So people would be more likely to come here for a full vacation, and just happen to pop in for the Redemption Tournament.

I have looked around, but I just don't have the money to rent a venue. There are certainly plenty of options. It's a shame that the humongous churches in this area are so aversive to Redemption. I wish I could do more.

I agree Florida is a great spot for families to plan vacation, and those that play can attend nationals, and those that don't have a lot of other opportunities down here to enjoy themselves.

I agree that the humongous churches in this area are aversive to Redemption, I'm not sure why, but based on that I intend to research other possibilities in the next couple of months so that I'm in a good position to put a bid in for Nats in 2015

I would've tried Florida in 2014, but with the short notice it wouldn't be enough time to put together a good bid.

PS, depending on location, I may actually be able to attend Nats this year, my job is flexible enough it may allow for it this year.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Chris on May 09, 2014, 12:14:05 AM
The east side of the country has gotten Nats a lot recently, with pretty poor results to show for it. In the last four years, Nats has been in Boston, New York, and Tennessee, and all three of those locations have posted numbers that were significantly below the average. Now admittedly, a lot of that can be attributed to waning interest in the game, which means that it's especially important to post high numbers to keep people interested. New York City was, in theory, an excellent location due to having multiple large playgroups within an 8 hour drive, and it posted the lowest numbers since Covenant Games has kept track of it. As others have noted, I'm all for fairness, but Redemption needs to regain its strength before the game can afford to have a national tournament in a location we know is going to have poor attendance (e.g. Florida). That's why I'm strongly advocating for MN this year, and maybe even next year: We know we'll get good numbers. I'm not exactly biased either, as MN is a 24 hour drive for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Knoxyouthpastor on May 09, 2014, 02:20:52 AM
I know my opinion really doesn't matter, but here it is anyway. I believe numbers have been down, not to lack of interest,  but lack of money. For most it's hard to drive 8 plus hours to a location,  taking time off work, or cost of plane ticket. I do think we should push for high attendance. New York had only 75 (I couldnt be there),we and 110 in Knoxville,  & MN had 155. Now those might be down from years past, but anytime you get a group together of that size, its a blessing. I know we've had our struggles with getting our group together, but It just seems people are more busy nowadays. I will say, we would love to have it back in Knoxville and we are already preparing for it...adding showerd to our facilities. But if we go by rotation history, it is MN turn so to speak. Obviously if it's here in Knoxville,  I'll be there. Any other location, I'm trying my best to get there. Just need a definite date. Blessings!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 09, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
Minion of Jesus:

We have a lot of players down in Chicago I would say about 40 or so.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Master KChief on May 09, 2014, 12:32:46 PM
Chicago seems feasible. Not that far from Minnesota either. And Pequod's has the best deep dish and wings ever.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 09, 2014, 12:33:35 PM
That's right!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 09, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
I know my opinion really doesn't matter, but here it is anyway. I believe numbers have been down, not to lack of interest,  but lack of money. For most it's hard to drive 8 plus hours to a location,  taking time off work, or cost of plane ticket. I do think we should push for high attendance. New York had only 75 (I couldnt be there),we and 110 in Knoxville,  & MN had 155. Now those might be down from years past, but anytime you get a group together of that size, its a blessing. I know we've had our struggles with getting our group together, but It just seems people are more busy nowadays. I will say, we would love to have it back in Knoxville and we are already preparing for it...adding showerd to our facilities. But if we go by rotation history, it is MN turn so to speak. Obviously if it's here in Knoxville,  I'll be there. Any other location, I'm trying my best to get there. Just need a definite date. Blessings!
Part of the reason for that is having worthless prizes. I can't tell you how much money I lost going to New York despite placing in 2 events. People are more inclined to travel if there's at least a chance of making the money back.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Chris on May 09, 2014, 03:13:11 PM
Actually, when you win a category, you're given $1,000 cash. You just don't know about that because, well...
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 09, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
As others have noted, I'm all for fairness, but Redemption needs to regain its strength before the game can afford to have a national tournament in a location we know is going to have poor attendance (e.g. Florida).

FTR, I have already spoken out about how impractical having Nats in Florida would be. Most states border several other states in all directions, allowing for many people to reach Nats without as much travel time. Unfortunately, Florida does not border many states in any direction other than north. To our west is the Gulf of Mexico, to our east is the Atlantic Ocean, and to our south is the Caribbean. Even getting to Orlando from the north is a trip, since it is at least three hours to the nearest border.

That's why I'm strongly advocating for MN this year, and maybe even next year: We know we'll get good numbers.

I think the idea was to have it in that region all along, so MN is the obvious next best option.

I'm not exactly biased either, as MN is a 24 hour drive for me.

I will disagree with you on this point, but let me explain. You are conceding region only because you already got to have Nats near you in recent years. For people like me, on the other hand, the nearest Nats was 10 hours away. If there was ever a Nats just a few hours drive away, I would have made the trip. To never allow that opportunity to certain groups is not fair, hence the "fairness" debate. That was why it was so important to have a California Nats, regardless of turnout. Being consistently left out of the Nats picture just because of my address will not garner much support in the long run. Just my  :2cents:
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Master KChief on May 09, 2014, 04:01:59 PM
I would rather have Nats be a million miles away and not be able to attend, yet have a good turnout with some great coverage.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: yirgogo on May 09, 2014, 04:18:03 PM
Yet, if there are some great people who keep missing Nats, it is not fair to them either. I also would like a great nats, but I have almost allways had a nats near sine I live in the Twin Citties.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Master KChief on May 09, 2014, 05:17:38 PM
Sustainability of the game > fairness at this point. No card game is supposed to cater towards select individuals, no matter how 'great' they are. Does anyone else remember back in the day when every single Nationals was held in Kansas City?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 09, 2014, 07:03:26 PM
Sustainability of the game > fairness at this point.

I agree completely. Enjoy Nats for me.  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: TheJaylor on May 09, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Non-Minnesotans think it should be in MN, Minnesotans (or at least yirgogo) don't want it to be in MN... Hmmm... It should be in Minnesota. I'm breaking the trend.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Crashfach2002 on May 10, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
Non-Minnesotans think it should be in MN, Minnesotans (or at least yirgogo) don't want it to be in MN... Hmmm... It should be in Minnesota. I'm breaking the trend.

I'm not quite sure what kind of a trend I'm setting, but I am always up for hosting Nats in TN!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: soul seeker on May 10, 2014, 04:03:41 PM
I change my vote to IL or TN.
<------not from MN either.   :P
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 10, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
This isn't a democracy. Nats will be wherever I want it to be.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Chris on May 10, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
MKC's basement it is, then.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: soul seeker on May 10, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
This isn't a democracy. Nats will be wherever I want it to be.
That's right my apprentice, you will want to have it where I want it to be.   :maul:

The Sith will once again rule the galaxy.*

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: TheJaylor on May 10, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
This isn't a democracy. Nats will be wherever I want it to be.
That's right my apprentice, you will want to have it where I want it to be.   :maul:

The Sith will once again rule the galaxy.*

Spoiler (hover to show)
You want to go home and rethink your life.  :kenobi:

 ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Drrek on May 11, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
This isn't a democracy. Nats will be wherever I want it to be.
That's right my apprentice, you will want to have it where I want it to be.   :maul:

The Sith will once again rule the galaxy.*

Spoiler (hover to show)
You want to go home and rethink your life.  :kenobi:

 ;)

Ya koon tacha poonoo nee sah, gee.

(Your mind powers will not work on me, boy)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 11, 2014, 11:01:53 AM
Non-Minnesotans think it should be in MN, Minnesotans (or at least yirgogo) don't want it to be in MN... Hmmm... It should be in Minnesota. I'm breaking the trend.

I'm not quite sure what kind of a trend I'm setting, but I am always up for hosting Nats in TN!
I AREE!!!!!1
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Knoxyouthpastor on May 11, 2014, 05:23:20 PM
& I of course would like it here in TN too!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 11, 2014, 06:03:04 PM
Nats will be in Andy Stanley's house
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Minion of Jesus on May 11, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
Minion of Jesus:

We have a lot of players down in Chicago I would say about 40 or so.

Joeychips:

I was kidding.

Oh yeah, lets have nats in MN. And if not MN, Iowa.
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: RTSmaniac on May 12, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
Knoxville it is then!
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: joeychips on May 12, 2014, 10:20:48 AM
Knoxville it is then!
Is there an official announcement on this yet?
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: EmJayBee83 on May 12, 2014, 11:15:29 AM
Knoxville it is then!
Is there an official announcement on this yet?
On the actual location? No.

(I believe RTSmaniac was speaking in jest.)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: uthminister [BR] on May 12, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
Or Ohio ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: soul seeker on May 12, 2014, 02:09:03 PM
I would LOVE Ohio to be the location!!!!

Alex, my apprentice, you want it to be Ohio!   :maul:
Title: Re: 2014 Nats - Updates
Post by: Sadness on May 14, 2014, 11:10:35 AM
Arkansas or Missouri. ...In the ballroom. ...near the candlestick.
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