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The Orioles are my favorite team.  Always have been, always will be.  Go O's!

Here is a quote from your payroll list.

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Note:Team salaries do not represent full team payroll. Amount listed includes current salary for all players currently on the roster.

I think your list came before opening day, or before final roster. Here is mine, from opening day. http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm

Regardless of which list is correct, the point still stands and you can't deny that the teams that spend the most money win more than half the time.  If you think the Yankees' spending the most money and winning so many WS is a coincidence you are lying to yourself.

Teixiera is a case and point unto himself.  He was MD born and an Orioles fan growing up.  He was quoted as saying he would love to play for his childhood team.  When the opportunity arose he turned it down to play for the Yankees.  Sentimentality must not have been worth as much as the paycheck.  His presence in the lineup greatly increases the quality of that lineup and you'd be hard pressed to find any baseball writer/reporter that would tell you Teixeira's move to the Yankees wasn't an integral part of their winning the WS last year.

Why spend so much money if you don't think it is going to get you wins?  Its clear that the Yankees believe in the principle.  It is laughable that their fans do not.

The other thread got locked while I was typing this, so I moved it here:

I have been to plenty of Yankees games, in 3 different states, NY, GA, and FL, and I have never heard a chant of the opposite team stinks, or a certain player stinks coming from the Yankee fans. Yet every time I watch a Boston Red Sox game on TV against the Yanks, I hear the same chant- Jeter stinks, or whoever. If anything the Yank fans boo their own team more than the opposite- this season with Javier Vazquez, but that's about it. I would call Boston fans more arrogant than Yankees.

Hmmmm.... try wearing a Red Sox jersey in those states. 

I was walking with my family at The Magic Kingdom, wearing my Red Sox jersey. There was a popcorn vendor in front of Cinderella's castle that I just happened to pass. The Disney worker yelled out across the walkway "Red Sox suck!" My son looked at me and said "Why did she say that?" I walked over to the vendor, not saying a word, looked at her nametag, and went back to my family. I told my son, "Her nametag says she is from New York." He shrugged and said, "Oh, I didn't know Yankees fans worked at Disney World."

As I said in a different thread, I've been a Red Sox fan longer than most have you have been alive. I've gone to games in many states myself - FL, MA, NY, DC, MD, PA and minor league games in NH, ME, CT, FL. Yankees fans do the same thing that you claim Red Sox fans do. And, frankly, Rays fans do the same thing, too. In fact, Ohio State fans do that to Michigan fans (and vice versa), Celtics fans do that to Lakers fans, Duke fans do that to North Carolina fans, Manchester Memorial High School fans do that to Manchester West High School fans, etc. etc. etc.

With that said, there is no doubt that there are arrogant Red Sox fans. I have to sit next to them, remember. I've walked Yawkey Way after a game at Fenway and seen all the vendors selling "Yankee Hater" shirts. But, I've also walked the breezeways of Yankee Stadium, Camden Yards, and Tropicana Field and the vendors there sell the same kinds of shirts except with "Red Sox" instead.

The good news is, that most fans are not arrogant, as long as you aren't either. I sit quietly in my Red Sox jersey and I have no problems. In the other thread I clarified that Yankees fans are much more respectful since 2004. Before that, they had no reason to fear the Red Sox. However, when arrogant Yankees fans clash with arrogant Red Sox fans, the end result is never pretty.

Some of my best friends here in Florida are Yankees fans. We just talk about baseball. No finger pointing, or "ring" flashing. Just baseball. Those are good talks. Last Christmas I went to a sports store to buy one of them a Yankees jersey, since he had been giving me rides to work every morning. My son was with me. "Dad, why are buying a Yankees shirt?" I smiled and said, "This is for the nice gentleman that picks me up every morning." He looked confused and said, "He's a Yankees fan? But I thought they hated us." The store worker then laughed. "Not all Yankees fans are like the ones that say mean things to us. They just take the game too seriously."

As we were walking away, I stopped outside the store and said, "Now I need you to make me a promise." My son said, "OK. What is it?" I looked him sternly in the eyes and said, "You can never tell anyone in New England that I bought a Yankees jersey."

Why spend so much money if you don't think it is going to get you wins?  Its clear that the Yankees believe in the principle.  It is laughable that their fans do not.

I know it is the biggest factor in their success, I was just saying the Twins have increased payroll significantly, and I am wondering how they will fare in the playoffs.
And YMT great story, and I agree with your points.

You just became my favorite board member.

all of the above is true.

You're a comedian now?  You're bias is so obvious.

1. if the yankees aren't supposed to win, then what is the point of playing? at the end would you like the umpire to say, "that's game. its a tie." (this would of course happen after your favorite team just scored 14-15 runs.) if we aren't supposed to win, then we shouldn't play. and what fun is that?

You misunderstand the argument about money spent.  Nobody is faulting anybody for trying to win.  Nobody is faulting certain teams for spending X amount of money.  The argument is that the teams that spend the most money win more even though the teams that spend less are trying just as hard to win. (except the Pirates)

2. Alex Rodrigez took steroids once. he admitted it and he ONLY took the steroids when he was part of the rangers. wheather you guys believe this or not, it is true, the yankees made sure he was clean. brian roberts took steroids more then once, but you don't mention that nearly as much.

You don't know how much steroids ARod used.  You can believe what he said, but that doesn't mean its the whole truth.  For what its worth, I never mentioned steroids because I don't consider it to be an issue.

3. the yankees have money because of the large fan base of new york/new jersey and northern md. if teams can't spend money, then what is the point of the draft. 2 years ago, the orioles spent more then the yankees. it just didn't work out for them.

Orioles pay roll was more than the Yankees?  You're joking right?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=4054743
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3324146
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1859&Itemid=41

4. yankees are hated because of jelousy. (which is why people try to find reasons to hate them. people don't like to admit being jelous.)

Um, no.

5. A-Rod is a Christian. if a former steroid user walked into your church, would you turn them down because they used steroids?

Certainly not, but I'm not going to give them a high five for their sin.

6. people need to stop tearing down the yankees. the truth is, people want yankees players on their team. E.X. Mark tiexera, was part of another team before he came to the yankees. he was born in md. orioles fans didn't mind. eventually he became a free agent and signed with the yankees. all of a sudden he is labeled as a bad guy from o's fans.

Fact: Teixeira was quoted several times saying that he would love to play for his childhood team. Fact.
Fact: Teixeira was offered a deal that was estimated to be 7years and $150 million.  Fact.
Fact: Teixeira signed with the Yankees for 8 years and $180 million.  Fact.

The difference?  $30,000,000 and one year.  You're telling me it wasn't the money that swayed his decision?  Seems pretty obvious that money was more important to him than playing for his childhood team.  I'll be honest, I never expected to have Teixeira in an Orioles uniform so I wasn't surprised when he signed elsewhere.  People like money.  I never said he was a bad guy, I said he likes money more than he wanted to play for his childhood team, which is pretty obvious given the circumstances.

7. the yankees don't spend nearly as much money as people think. most of the players came up through the farm system. (for those of you who don't know what this is, this is the process of developing your talent after collage and working your way through the minor league ranks.)

The numbers don't lie.  The Yankees spend more money than any other team.  They spend in free agency and they spend it to keep the players like Jeter and Posada, who were brought up through the farm system.  22 of the 30 MLB teams spend less than half what the Yankees spend.

they are a part of america's history more then any other team.

More than the Dodgers?  That would be a fun debate for the talking heads of ESPN.

Sean, i am not high-5 ing arod for his sin. and it is a fact he only took it once. the person who injected him with it said so. what other proof do you want? and no. i said the orioles SPENT more money on other players 2 years ago. i never said they had a higher payroll. and also sean, your bias is also obvious. you come from the masses that hate the yankees because they are good. i know you don't consider mark teixera a bad guy, but lots do. if orioles had more money he would have signed with them. if the red sox of all people offored more he would have signed with them. money does come into decisions. i agree with you here. and just because they don't have a cap doesn't mean they spend it all. and you are right, numbers don't lie. we can bring the money discussion up again and i have the same answer. if we can't spend money then what is the point of the draft. when you quoted this before you failed to see the main point. i said that the draft is meaningless if we can't use it. do you think that the yankees shouldn't spend money?

this is a classic and shining example of taking what i said out of context. i NEVER said that there should be no consequences. and if a murderer came into my church, and he wanted Christ, i would not shun him. (like some people would.)

this is a classic and shining example of taking what i said out of context. i NEVER said that there should be no consequences. and if a murderer came into my church, and he wanted Christ, i would not shun him. (like some people would.)

Neither would I, but I would also be "Wise as a snake" and be careful around him.

This is probably one reason why way more people watch the Superbowl than watch the World Series.

I would like to see how many people watch all 5-7 games of the World Series, compared to how many people watch just the one Superbowl, it might be a close number.

Also the NFL has a really tough steroids policy.

I disagree. Suspension for a game or two is not too tough when compared to baseball. But as you said 1 game is a significant deal in the NFL.

Now you're just picking and choosing names, which is an unfair comparison. I see MLB players like RotY and MVP Dustin Pedroia who is all of 5'7" and 160 pounds (if he's carrying an equipment bag). I see NL Cy Young phenom Tim Lincecum who is 6'2" and all of 170 pounds (if he's carrying Barry Bonds).

These are marquee players, and if they are using steroids, then it's not working.