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One of the things I like about Redemption, is it doesn't have any banned cards. Reprinted, errettaed, yeah. But every card is as legal as the day it first came out. I like its commitment and dedication not to ban any cards. I also think Cactus knows what is "to powerful" and tries to keep the game balanced. I don't think one Archetype has clearly dominated for to long...but I could be wrong on that. Do I think it stifles creativity, with counters and counters for your opponents counters? Nope. I figure its impossible to try to counter every card and every style. Back to the topic, are some cards to powerful in Redemption? Maybe. But before we start going and banning cards, lets ask if the game has balance, and can we attempt to balance a card before we ban it. I honestly think Goys is an attempt to balance Falling Away. Angel at the Tomb attempts to balance cards like Confusion. Maybe we need to try to find a way to balance these cards. Like AOCP could be balanced by an artifact simular to Chariots of Fire, except that targets evil characters in stead of heroes. (Or Davids Harp, Chamber of Angels, Everlasting Beings) Maybe have an "anti-NJ" lost soul, like "While this lost soul is in play, no player may play NJ" IDK, just throwing out ideas. But if it these things are truely broken, then try to balance them not Ban them.

Also, 'Banned Card' would necessitate another REG entry on what it means to ban a card. And we'd have arguments on whether 'ban' is harm or negative effect. Also, where does a 'banned' card go? Is it removed? Why not just say removed then? So many questions...

So a ban is just a permanent negate?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 17, 2009, 02:07:59 PM

5. Haman's Plot (never should have been printed)

Although this won't be banned, theoretically this card will stop being used. 

Ah, but it never will. The supply of them is so great that it will never run out, but over time the supply will slowly diminish to the point that they are so extremely rare that virtually no one will want to rip them anymore. Then, every once in a while some player with tons of money will go to a tournament and rip one and win, and it will be no fair to the players who actually took their time to build a good deck instead of squandering money and throwing the rarest cards all into the same deck. That's my vision, at least. This is, of course, assuming that the world does not become dominated by the digital world anytime soon.

By the way, my list was only meant as an if; I don't believe banning is good, except in the case of Haman's Plot.

This is, of course, assuming that the world does not become dominated by the digital world anytime soon.

define "dominated."depending on your definition, you could say that we already have

define "dominated."

Dominate - to annihilate in a competitive environment (see pwn).

Dude, I totally just dominated humanity.

Seriously people STILL think AOCP needs to be banned? That's just sad... who even uses that anymore in their top decks...? Okay, a decent amount but the nationals winning deck didn't.

Californian noobs.

because it wasnt included in the 'nationals winning deck' does not dictate whether a card is broken or not. because tgt/hamans plot/etc was in a nationals winning deck does not dictate if its a broken card.

But... TGT, HP, and ETC are broken...

Quote from: Master KChief on December 19, 2009, 12:31:39 AM

because it wasnt included in the 'nationals winning deck' does not dictate whether a card is broken or not. because tgt/hamans plot/etc was in a nationals winning deck does not dictate if its a broken card.

But... TGT, HP, and ETC are broken...

ETC... 

Right, I suppose I shouldn't spill the beans

Shh... not so much about ETC, Red Dragon.  It may be too epic for Sean.

I'm just trying to figure out if you did it by accident or on purpose. 

If haman's plot is so broken then why is it in most of the games that I have seen (live) and recorded (online RooT) that the player who uses it loses?  It is hardly a guaranteed anything, in my experience.  It has a very versatile special ability, but the success rate is iffy which hardly equals broken.

just because a potentially OP'd card is in a deck that loses does not somehow automatically not make it broken. PLAYER A can include a hamans plot in his deck and the rest all non-special ability cards, and history tells us this player will more than likely lose. everyone loses, even with broken cards in their decks.

The whole 'ban TCG' sounds to me as some is being unwilling to be open-minded. 

Indeed. Only us enlightened folk play trading card games. 

a broken card is determined by its power creep.

Did you just call Bryon a "creep?"