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What makes you draw the conclusion "I'm living for this world?"
Also, what makes you think that just because men wrote the Bible I'm throwing out all the Bible's teachings? Christianity survived for 1500 years without the Bible as its infallible standard, why can't I?
mainly the entire paragraph of text above that comment. Smiley You don't need faith, rules, or morals if God is completely sovereign and everything is predestined.
The fact that you said, "frankly, I don't find the Bible to be credible." That was my first clue. My second was that a smart person like you who wants to figure out everything for himself, instead of just going with fixed doctrines, would not trust something that he doesnt' find credible. It just doesn't add up. Who says that the Bible was not the standard for people? Christians have always believed the Bible, and that's the standard. It tells us how we should behave.Here's some things to consider. If the Bible isn't true, then why does our non-Christian society still accept a date(2009), set when Jesus was born, if they don't even believe that Jesus ever was born?Why do we still celebrate Christmas(I know that's it's not actually when Christ was born) if God was never born in the first place?The answer is that these things did happen. If the Bible isn't true it's one heck of a fairy tale. And if the Bible isn't true, and these event didn't happen, dates and other events wouldn't have been celebrated for 2009 years. It happened, and that's why people accept the Bible and the holidays I mentioned.
Every concept of everything associated with Christianity came from the Bible - everything. The Apostles' Creed was based solely from things learned from nothing other than the Bible. If it weren't for the Bible, there would be no Christians, because no one would know any of the lessons taught in it. Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
To me, this can be translated as, "Oh, you're stupid."
No, you don't qualify as an expert on early Christian history.
You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
QuoteYou need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.What are your sources for any of your claims?
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 06:48:22 PMNo, you don't qualify as an expert on early Christian history.Oh, really? And all this time...QuoteYou need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.What are your sources for any of your claims?
Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Tequnically, you don't NEED the Bible to be saved. But saying that the Bible has not merit is completely disregarding God's purspose for his Bible. It doesn't matter who wrote it, it's true and it illustrates God's plan for our lives.
Great. Then we are on the same page on that.
back to books please
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PMBeing limitless is hardly a bad thing. QuoteHumans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).Limits halt progress.
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).
If your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 03:51:25 PMIf your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.So the only reason you don't take any drug is because you personally have decided that the negative side effects outweigh the benefits. And you don't care that your example could lead to destroying someone else's life because they follow your philosophy and have different levels of knowledge about negative side effects.
Well, obviously anyone who knows me knows I don't I'm not doing speed.
QuoteQuoteYou need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.What are your sources for any of your claims?I don't need a source, you're the one making claims.
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 08:31:47 PMWell, obviously anyone who knows me knows I don't I'm not doing speed. Actually, it is possible that someone could see you popping pills and not know what they are. And it is also possible that someone who knows that you WOULD do speed if it wasn't going to hurt you. And it is possible that they might not believe that speed would hurt them (many people deny the dangers of drugs), and therefore start doing it. It is also possible that Adderoll has some more harmful side effects than you are aware of.I'm just saying that taking any drug on a regular basis that is only necessary due to lifestyle choices (such as not getting enough sleep, or procrastination) is a dangerous thing for yourself and those around you.
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 07:02:38 PMQuoteQuoteYou need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.What are your sources for any of your claims?I don't need a source, you're the one making claims.What about "The Bible is false," or "It's okay to do drugs," or "Satan is weak," or "You should disobey government," or "People are predestined to be saved?" What's your backup on any of those?
Tell me why you should obey your government.
First of all, I didn't say the Bible was false, I just I didn't believe it to be the word of God and you cannot provide any evidence to support your claim that it is.
Your own Bible could give the answers to the predestination question. The logical answer is simply, if there is free-will, there is no God. If man has the freedom to deny God his Godship, then man is God. I need no outside sources, I'm using an appeal to reason.
Satan is weak. Prove me wrong.
Tell me if it is okay to steal or murder?
How about the fact that every prediction it has made so far has come true. You will never be able to find a single passage in the scripture that can be proven false.
Are you saying that people do not have free will?
Okay then, why don't you go beat him up for me?
First of all, I didn't say the Bible was false
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
I will prove the Bible wrong right now.
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