Author Topic: What are you reading? (A quick poll.) (Read 107321 times)

Sean · « **Reply #125 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:28:10 PM »

You won't find any major denomination that doesn't believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. That's the denominations' stance though. Individuals, such as Colin, don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God.

Sean

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #126 on:** January 30, 2009, 11:25:35 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM

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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.

Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM

Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.

Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM

I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.

We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.

lightningninja · « **Reply #127 on:** January 30, 2009, 11:54:51 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 06:10:26 PM

The Bible is not required to be a Christian, the Apostle's Creed defines catholic (liberal connotation) Christianity.

What exactly are you saying? Are you saying that you don't have to believe the Bible to be a Christian?

I have known people like you. You want to challenge everything, believing that you can determine everything that is real by logic and your own mind. And those kinds of people always worry me. I just hope you realize that some things don't have to be proven. But if you don't believe the Bible, and don't think it's credible, then what do you beleive? Because any other faith or belief that you bring to the table I can find more faults than you can with the Bible.

soul seeker · « **Reply #128 on:** January 30, 2009, 11:58:44 PM »

Colin has stated in other threads that he believes that certain people are chosen by God to be saved (of which, he includes himself). He has also stated that it is only done by grace, and God's grace is enough and therefore no limits or law (from the Bible) needs to be followed. He has liberal views on several areas that I will not mention in the "off topic" forum.

lightningninja · « **Reply #129 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:01:26 AM »

"Because Elijah had prayed and had faith, God confused the army."

Did that verse say "Because God was sovereign," or "Because God had predestined Elijah to live?" No.

Answer me this... why does the Bible even talk about faith if it isn't even needed?

soul seeker · « **Reply #130 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:05:03 AM »

You'll have to wait on Colin to answer that...I was only answering what I've seen him wrote in multiple different threads.
If memory serves me right, Colin has answered that too before. If you feel bored or a need to know the answer right now, then you can do a search of his name and view all the posts he has made. Provided some of them weren't erased during the GREAT PURGE OF '08-'09 (I'm not exactly sure which date the purge happened.)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #131 on:** January 31, 2009, 01:05:12 AM »

Quote from: fireninja on January 30, 2009, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 06:10:26 PM
The Bible is not required to be a Christian, the Apostle's Creed defines catholic (liberal connotation) Christianity.
What exactly are you saying? Are you saying that you don't have to believe the Bible to be a Christian?

I have known people like you. You want to challenge everything, believing that you can determine everything that is real by logic and your own mind. And those kinds of people always worry me. I just hope you realize that some things don't have to be proven. But if you don't believe the Bible, and don't think it's credible, then what do you beleive? Because any other faith or belief that you bring to the table I can find more faults than you can with the Bible.

Yes, that is exactly what I was trying so hard to find a way to articulate; thank you.

metalpsalm · « **Reply #132 on:** January 31, 2009, 06:14:26 AM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM

Research John Locke and social contract theory.

I've skimmed it. Very weak.

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Government is NOT established by God, rather, it is established by man to suppress the individual's rights.

Romans 13
1.Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

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I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.

Not much I can do about that. Have you read Evidence that Demands a Verdict ~ Josh McDowel? I don't think you could read that and maintain your position and be intellectually honest

Red · « **Reply #133 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:20:11 AM »

i'v seen the enadence coln you been sawmped in ture word your doctine is false

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #134 on:** January 31, 2009, 08:42:45 AM »

I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, RED, but I'm pretty sure it was unnecessary.

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #135 on:** January 31, 2009, 09:51:02 AM »

Quote from: RED on January 31, 2009, 07:20:11 AM

I've seen the Evidence,Colin, you've been swamped in true word. Your doctrine is false.

Red · « **Reply #136 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:15:09 AM »

it is true he is figting a loseing battle colin read the bilbe and take it as history.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #137 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:17:54 AM »

RED, you're never going to get to him like that. This is his entire belief, and he won't give it up in a day on the message boards.

Red · « **Reply #138 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:19:11 AM »

how am i all he does is ignore us i give up!

Red · « **Reply #139 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:24:18 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 30, 2009, 11:25:35 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.

prof is right

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #140 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:40:49 AM »

Quote from: RED on January 31, 2009, 10:19:11 AM

How am I? All he does is ignore us. I give up!

well, consider this, your 10 hes 20 (somewhere around there)....he has a tad more experience than you

Colin Michael · « **Reply #141 on:** January 31, 2009, 01:57:20 PM »

I'm pretty confused as to the last couple of posts but valiant efforts my young friends.

Red · « **Reply #142 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:06:13 PM »

huh why?

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #143 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 01:57:20 PM

I'm pretty confused as to the last couple of posts but valiant efforts my young friends.

lol

Colin has won the thread

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #144 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:35:15 PM »

Yes, by not listening to anyone else, and not answering any of the important questions.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #145 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:42:51 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 30, 2009, 11:25:35 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.

It's illogical because it is a false hypothetical.

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Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).

Limits halt progress.

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM

I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.

We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.
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You can't just "decide" to believe something. If you ask "why" and the "why" cannot be answered, then you cannot make an absolute until the "why" is answered. If I psycologically tricked myself into believing the Bible to be infallible just to save my faith, I would be coating myself in deceiption. Cannot the hypothetical "truth"/ "word of God" stand up to the "why"?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #146 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:46:19 PM »

so much for a quick poll...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #147 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:46:34 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 03:42:51 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 30, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.
It's illogical because it is a false hypothetical.

"Why is the sky blue?"
"Because that's the way we see it."
"Why do we see it that way?"
"Because it's blue. THE END."

Colin Michael · « **Reply #148 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:51:25 PM »

I'll answer the question.

If your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.

lightningninja · « **Reply #149 on:** January 31, 2009, 04:15:45 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 03:42:51 PM

You can't just "decide" to believe something. If you ask "why" and the "why" cannot be answered, then you cannot make an absolute until the "why" is answered. If I psycologically tricked myself into believing the Bible to be infallible just to save my faith, I would be coating myself in deceiption. Cannot the hypothetical "truth"/ "word of God" stand up to the "why"?

The Bible can stand up to the "why." Prove to me one instance in the Bible that you can PROVE is false. Go ahead. If you can do that, with undisputable evidence, then I will throw my Bible to the ground and renounce Christ. But you can't, because everything is true in the Bible.

Colin, the fact is that you are taking the easy way to be a Christian. In your faith, you don't have to do anything, either God saves you or you don't. You don't need faith, you don't need anything, and you might as well not be a Christian because you don't need faith, and all your focus is on the real world, because the Bible doesn't matter to you.

Do you consider yourself a Christian with this view?

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