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Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.'
Personally, I feel there's good things about all of those holidays as well as some things that aren't so great.
You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
QuoteYou and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PMif the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?Because they killed Jesus.QuoteSo who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).
Quote from: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PMQuoteYou and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PMif the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?Because they killed Jesus.QuoteSo who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible). What are you going to be for halloween?
Quote from: drb1200 on October 14, 2009, 03:28:39 PMThe bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.I don't celebrate Halloween, but I did want to comment on this.Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.' So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'? Obviously not the god we worship, or else we'd be celebrating the Holy Days that HE laid out and not our own inventions and mutilations.
The bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.
Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PMif the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?Because they killed Jesus.
Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.
Wait... Colin and shofarblower... you guys are saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday? Or at least has pagan roots? Are you kidding me?No matter what you want to believe or what non-Christians want to make of it, Easter is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. That's how they originated. Were they the "exact" day that the real thing happened? Heck, I don't know I don't think our calender was even the exact same thing (I might be wrong on this). I celebrate my birthday NEVER on my real birthday... if my friend came up and said,"dude, this birthday is like a mockery and I refuse to celebrate it because it's not the real date," I'd be like... okay...... Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.As for Halloween... no one responded to my post about the origins of the two most popular things that people talk about; trick or treating and the actual name. I'd like a response.
I have to respond based on Colin's recent posts in this thread. You refer to us as "really uneducated", when it seems to be you who are the uneducated one here. You have alot of book knowledge. Yes a Jew spearheaded the crucifiction of Jesus (Yeshua). However, the point you fail to observe is that, without the crucifixion, you would not even have a chance of knowing the man who was crucified. Everyone of the Deciples were Jews and Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin (which resides in the hous of Judah) therefore making him a Jew. Paul also stated that we become part of the Hose of Israel through Messiah and therefore fall under the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 of the two sticks, where Ephraim (representing Israel) is joined to Judah at the end days. I have not celebrated Christmas, Easter or any other "Christian" holidays in 6 years because they all have roots in paganism and with very little exception fall at the wrong time of year to celebrate the events they are supposed to represent.Easter.. The worship of the Pagan fertility goddess Ishtar...Celebrated after the vernal equinox by slaughtering infants and dyeing eggs in thier blood.Christmas.. The worship of Tammuz or any other pagan sun god.. Always celebrated on Dec.25 as the birth of the sun god. In Egypt, they would erect and decorate trees to represent the genitalia of Ra the sun god. In Jeremiah chapter 10 the "christmas tree" is perfectly described and forbidden. Also incorporated in this festival was the worship of Molech who was depicted as a bronze statue holding a large kettle or pot in his lap. The worshipers would come on the 25 th of Dec. with lists of the desires they had for the coming year and pile them at the feet of the statue. They would then light the pile on fire until the statue glowed red. Then, they placed child sacrifices alive in the kettle and allow them to burn. Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. So lets all take our lists to Santa and let our children scream bloody murder while they sit on the fat guys lap so we can get those "precious memories" on film.Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. Basically I am saying (and yes I do keep all the Festivals of the LORD {YHVH} commanded in Leviticus 23), if God says not to do something, why do we try and justify it by any means? I went trick or treating as a kid. I am not evil because of it. I had alot more fun at the feast of Tabernacles last week though. I celebrated Christmas and Easter, I also found out that you can use Scripture (in much too detailed a scenario than I can present here) to pinpoint the birth of Messiah to the Feast of Tabernacles. Also, why does Easter fall before Passover a large percentage of the time? How can He rise a month before He died?Scripture (even Paul) supports the celebration of the festivals that God gave us in the begining. Jesus was born at Tabernacles, died on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread (1st day of is implied), arose on Firstfruits, and the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. That only leaves two more Festivals, Trumpets (1Thess 4:16) and Atonement (the Judgement of mankind). Paul said in Col. 2 that the Holy Days (Feasts of The LORD) were shadows of things to come. I challenge everyone to learn about these feasts and guarantee you that you will at least double your knowledge of scripture if you learn them whole heartedly and seek the truth regarding them.I hope I haven't lost friends, but, Messiah said I would have to leave Father, Mother, Sister and Brother to follow Him.
