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jesse · « **Reply #75 on:** November 10, 2014, 07:22:48 PM »

Quote from: AJ on November 10, 2014, 07:03:08 PM

Spirit of Fear's artwork looks inappropriate.

That's what I said too...I agree! Especially for kids, but not only for them, in my opinion.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #76 on:** November 10, 2014, 07:46:12 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on November 10, 2014, 07:04:53 PM

Quote from: AJ on November 10, 2014, 07:03:08 PM
Spirit of Fear's artwork looks inappropriate.
You've got to be kidding

Well, the artwork originally depicted an incubus.

That being said, while it looks weird, it isn't THAT innapropriate.

Redoubter · « **Reply #77 on:** November 10, 2014, 08:25:24 PM »

At the time the artwork was originally created, it would have been more sensational than now, to be sure. To me, it is not sensual at all, more of a depiction of a demonic presence taking over. But I can see the other side, too. I don't believe it will change, however.

browarod · « **Reply #78 on:** November 10, 2014, 08:34:22 PM »

It's tame compared to Woman in the Ephah....

I honestly don't even see what's wrong with it. The person is fully clothed, there just happens to be a demon sitting on her.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #79 on:** November 10, 2014, 11:39:28 PM »

It's not an incubus, it's a nightmare. There is no sexual reference in it. That being said, I don't care much for the art, but I'm not opposed to it.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #80 on:** November 11, 2014, 12:29:01 AM »

To me I think this comes back to Paul discussing the convictions of one person compared to another. It's true that scripture gives us some clear cut lines but other lines are determined by our own walks. Some people are free to drink alcohol on occasions while others refrain. Both can do this and honor God in their actions. However, if someone drinks alcohol and it causes a brother or sister to stumble and the person could have refrained that creates an issue.

I believe many people have no issue with the artwork but clearly some do. I think by following Paul's teaching we can come to the agreement that the artwork should be changed for the benefit of the individuals who may be offended, tempted or disturbed by the image.

Just my 2cents

Kor · « **Reply #81 on:** November 11, 2014, 01:29:41 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on November 11, 2014, 12:29:01 AM

To me I think this comes back to Paul discussing the convictions of one person compared to another. It's true that scripture gives us some clear cut lines but other lines are determined by our own walks. Some people are free to drink alcohol on occasions while others refrain. Both can do this and honor God in their actions. However, if someone drinks alcohol and it causes a brother or sister to stumble and the person could have refrained that creates an issue.

I believe many people have no issue with the artwork but clearly some do. I think by following Paul's teaching we can come to the agreement that the artwork should be changed for the benefit of the individuals who may be offended, tempted or disturbed by the image.

Just my 2cents

I think that when you start applying this passage to 'individuals' who may be 'offended, tempted or disturbed' instead of actively causing someone to stumble you are walking down a very slippery slope.

For Example:

I find many of the depictions of demons on redemption cards disturbing.
I find the concept of using demons to stop someone from rescuing a soul offensive.
I am tempted to rip up my opponents' Haman's Plots up so they can't be used against me.

The art of Spirit of Fear isn't any worse than of demons we have so far. It shows a demon tormenting a person in their sleep. Is that disturbing? I should hope so, demons ARE disturbing and since Cactus has decided to put them in redemption I don't think they should be trying to make demons cute like pokemon either. That being said, if this particular picture bothers a lot of people it might be worth the effort to change it.

AJ · « **Reply #82 on:** November 11, 2014, 08:47:49 AM »

Looked like the person wasn't clothed when I posted, but then again it was late at night so maybe not. But as far as convictions go, I agree with jbeers285. Some Christians are offended by alcohol and some aren't, some are offended by tobacco and some aren't. Its a meat offered to idols thing. There are some things that Christians disagree about with other Christians. But when it comes down to it, as far as what people think are sins and different doctrines, all that really matters is that we all agree that Jesus Christ is the son of God that shed his blood for us. Just my

Daniel · « **Reply #83 on:** November 11, 2014, 08:48:22 AM »

Or the offended duo could choose not to buy the card.

Redoubter · « **Reply #84 on:** November 11, 2014, 09:43:47 AM »

Quote from: Daniel on November 11, 2014, 08:48:22 AM

Or the offended duo could choose not to buy the card.

Do you suggest then that they just do not buy the new set? That's the only way to be sure not to get one.

I don't see a problem with the image personally, but if I try to convince someone it is not an issue and their conscience tells them it is, then I have become a stumbling block. We don't want to take that attitude and become an obstacle.

browarod · « **Reply #85 on:** November 11, 2014, 09:55:55 AM »

At the same time, if Cactus' goal is to not offend anyone then they really can't print anything because everything will always be found offensive by someone, that's just how it works. Minimizing offense should be a goal, yes, but it's impossible to please everyone.

Redoubter · « **Reply #86 on:** November 11, 2014, 10:01:02 AM »

Quote from: browarod on November 11, 2014, 09:55:55 AM

At the same time, if Cactus' goal is to not offend anyone then they really can't print anything because everything will always be found offensive by someone, that's just how it works. Minimizing offense should be a goal, yes, but it's impossible to please everyone.

I agree (and said much the same about Judaizers), I was more responding that we should avoid an attitude that isn't understanding the problems others have from the Spirit (their conscience) and pointing out how we should be treating others that feel different convictions than us. I don't think this card will change, but we should understand why others may have a problem with it, that's my point.

browarod · « **Reply #87 on:** November 11, 2014, 10:10:46 AM »

Quote from: Redoubter on November 11, 2014, 10:01:02 AM

I was more responding that we should avoid an attitude that isn't understanding the problems others have from the Spirit (their conscience) and pointing out how we should be treating others that feel different convictions than us. I don't think this card will change, but we should understand why others may have a problem with it, that's my point.

That is a fair point.

AJ · « **Reply #88 on:** November 11, 2014, 10:16:41 AM »

Quote from: Daniel on November 11, 2014, 08:48:22 AM

Or the offended duo could choose not to buy the card.

Lol, like I can open a pack and be guaranteed not to get one?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #89 on:** November 11, 2014, 10:29:00 AM »

The lack of grace and unity among believers is more disturbing than the artwork of specific cards.

Daniel · « **Reply #90 on:** November 11, 2014, 10:42:53 AM »

The artwork isn't really appealing to me in the least, I am only defending it on priniciple and on Rob's behalf. However I stumbled upon this piece of artwork which might fit the whole "Spirit of Fear" thing even better.

My suggestion for Spirit of Fear*

*not trying to offend arachnophobes

jesse · « **Reply #91 on:** November 11, 2014, 12:37:00 PM »

Just to clarify, for me, I am not offended or tempted by the image (a bit disturbed, yes) but I believe that it is inappropriate for a Redemption card because even though the woman's style of dress is outdated and not directly revealing, nevertheless her position is outstretched and open, her clothing is tight, she is lying on a bed, and the demon is directly sitting on top of her. I just think that whatever the intent of the artist was, those factors cause the image to be sexually suggestive and therefore it would be wise and considerate of all audiences, especially in light of this being a Christian game that we would like kids/youth to participate in, to use one that clearly and only emphasizes the factor of fear - as is the intent of the card.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #92 on:** November 11, 2014, 12:41:48 PM »

Just to be clear I don't have an issue with the artwork.

1. We do have cards that have been printed that contain more sensualized artwork then Spirit of Fear portays. However, I dont believe that should not be the precedent we set for allowing more sensualized artwork into the game.

2. I understand that displaying demons is a necessary part of this game however if we printed a card called lust I wouldn't want it to display a scantily clad human being or spirit.

3. If this issue with the card is that it is making some people feel awkward or even tempted then we should adjust it. (Refer to 1, existing cards should not be evidence to support more sensualized cards)

4. My thought is that we can find an alternate artwork that will be less contravesial and benefit the community.

5. Others>self

browarod · « **Reply #93 on:** November 19, 2014, 03:29:20 PM »

Quote from: Redemption's Facebook Page

Phase 2 of the Early Church set is now available. We are shipping orders this week.

Related to this, we sold out of Phase 1 this week. At present Cactus only has Phase 2 available for sale. When more cards are printed you may buy packs from Cactus that pull from the full set (Phase 1 and 2 combined). We will not offer Phase 1 by itself again. We will offer Phase 2 by itself through the end of this year.

Finally, a bit of a milestone today. We sold the last Redemption factory set.

LukeChips · « **Reply #94 on:** November 19, 2014, 03:46:37 PM »

Wow the LAST FACTORY SET?!

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #95 on:** November 19, 2014, 04:00:57 PM »

It's kinda sad, I still wanted to get one, but never got around to it. I guess singles it is.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #96 on:** November 19, 2014, 10:23:04 PM »

Can I just say that Shipwreck is flippin awesome! Finally a dominant that takes out a Fort or site!

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