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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Gabe on June 30, 2009, 11:21:13 AM
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-4.php (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-4.php)
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OH YEAH! Dominant!!!
I like this card because you can use it on defense too!
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I think this will easily become a multiplayer staple dominant.
This looks like so much fun!
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a powerful card, but balanced as well. finally. thank you cactus.
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Does Jacob make you tear your clothes in frustration? Does Ethiopian Treasurer keep rocking the boat? Do Zebulun and Widow make you feel like you are not even in the room?
:D
Multi-player. Justin is about to win the game.
Ah, so true...
Looks like a fun card, as long as RR can't find a way to protect his heroes from shuffle...
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This is definitely one of my most favorite cards, ever. Seriously, epic wyn. :thumbup:
And Stalks of Flax? Wow, that card is amazing as well! I'm assuming it is limited to two turns, as the article mentioned "Your powerful heroes might leave you for a couple rounds and go on a mission for another player."
I give the well-deserved props to Rob for introducing game-shaking new cards. Grapes of Wrath definitely brings pandemonium upon all of the best combos in the game.
Anyone else see the Chinook Helicopter in the sky...? 8)
Kirk
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Yeah, I love this card too. I see myself using it largely as a defensive card. ;D
Random question.
Is this the first card aside from AW to have modern stuff in it? I see a helecopter in the background.
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Wow, the possibilities with this card are endless... Though I can see playing this on defense way more often than offense.
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You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
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YES!! I've been waiting for this card to show up on Bryon's list. :D This is probably one of my favorite new cards in the set.
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It's in the top ten for sure, but there's WAY cooler cards than this.
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You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
Which I love.
YES!! I've been waiting for this card to show up on Bryon's list. :D This is probably one of my favorite new cards in the set.
It is one of mine because its such a defensive card.
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Besides Stalks of Flax, we see:
Wandering Spirit reprint (band to generic demon?)
Asahel reprint (as a "commando" blocker-chooser)
Orange popular in Minnesota due to a new evil fortress
A lot of grapes
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Multi-player. Justin is about to win the game.
So much for my strategy of going for the "meek and helpless" appearance...thanks Bryon :P
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Oh wow this looks fun...but my neighbor boy is terrified by it :laugh:
Maybe multi player will actually be more fun now that we know Justin isn't guaranteed the win...:D
~Britta
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I was wondering when they would make a new dominant 8)
You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
This is getting better by the moment! ( please make it work with my deck :prayer:)
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Oh wow this looks fun...but my neighbor boy is terrified by it :laugh:
Maybe multi player will actually be more fun now that we know Justin isn't guaranteed the win...:D
~Britta
Just put me at his table with my anb deck +the new evil dom O:-)
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I add my congratulations to everyone else. This card is AWESOME!!!!!
It helps with EVERYTHING that I have been bummed about for the last couple years (speed domination of T1-mp & pre-block ignore).
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Orange will become quite popular this year. Maybe even in Minnesota.
Nope. Not gonna happen. Not here. Not now. Not ever.
Anyway, nice job on the card. It shall certainly be interesting to see.
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You still can't play it if they're ignoring you from entering battle and you don't have a placed card.
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All I know is this card is good enough to force Professor Alstad to post. ;)
More shuffling crunchy goodness! Yippee-ki-yo-ki-yay...
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(please make it work with my deck :prayer:)
I think it'll work with just about any deck...
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All I know is this card is good enough to force Professor Alstad to post. ;)
More shuffling crunchy goodness! Yippee-ki-yo-ki-yay...
Yep. Cards named after classic novels always do.
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This card is amazing! You can even add madness to battle and then use it!
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All I know is this card is good enough to force Professor Alstad to post. ;)
More shuffling crunchy goodness! Yippee-ki-yo-ki-yay...
Yep. Cards named after classic novels always do.
In that case I can't wait until Bryon spoils "Moby dork."
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You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
Where in Bryon's article did it say that there's an evil dominant too?
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Actually, I was going to write about "A Tale of Two Cities," the card based on the Destruction of Sodom and G... uh, the other city I can never spell.
Either that or "A Farewell to Arms," the reprint of Swords into Plowshares.
I think it is really cool that 20 card in the next set are based on Classic books from the Past, considering the title of the set.
I'm still not sure we should have used "Green Eggs and Ham" for a card title, though. Oh well, it might look delicious in foil.
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Bryon, you did check the spelling on "David Copperfield" so it didn't come out as "David Cooperfield," right?
We wouldn't want that to happen again... ::)
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You know you're a film major when you hear the name and think 'classic film' before 'classic novel'... (Gregg Toland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005904/) ftw!)
By the way, you might want to go ahead and let Kurt know his T2MP deck will have to get by 3 of these next year...
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I don't get to see the mockups before those go out to print, so I have no idea. I think Doug put those Coopersmith cards together. He was contemplating buying a Cooper at the time, and, well, it slipped.
But back to the cards this set, I think that David's Copper Field is a fairly nice site, but I think jaws will be on the floor when people see The Return of the King.
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You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
Where in Bryon's article did it say that there's an evil dominant too?
Redemption Sets have been very good at balancing.
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I don't get to see the mockups before those go out to print, so I have no idea. I think Doug put those Coopersmith cards together. He was contemplating buying a Cooper at the time, and, well, it slipped.
But back to the cards this set, I think that David's Copper Field is a fairly nice site, but I think jaws will be on the floor when people see The Return of the King.
*JAW HAS BEEN DROPPED JUST HEARING ABOUT IT*
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You guys realise this means there's a evil dominant too, right?
Where in Bryon's article did it say that there's an evil dominant too?
Redemption Sets have been very good at balancing.
Balancing what?
In any case, the last set where we saw new dominants for both good and evil was... the A & B starter decks.
SoG, AotL, CM, Burial - A & B decks
Falling Away - Women
New Jerusalem, Harvest Time - Warriors
Guardian of Your Souls - Apostles
Destruction of Nehushtan - Patriarchs
Glory of the Lord - Kings
Doubt - Priests
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Wow just thinking that there could be other cards in this set that might be even more fun to play makes this set seem awesome. I am so ready for Booster Draft at Nats.
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question, if both players are tied in lost soul count, would that mean they both have the 'most' lost souls?
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Guardian of Your Souls - Apostles
Destruction of Nehushtan - Patriarchs
Glory of the Lord - Kings
Doubt - Priests
Just looking at the last four dominants alternating good to evil to good to evil, you can see that this set gets the good dominant.
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I'm inclined to say that there's two because everything else came from a booster pack and this is a set where good and evil likely got equal treatment.
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Huh, I wonder how this factors in...
5. Are we seeing a new dominant card?
The set is not quite done. At least not for a few days.
5. not presently
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question, if both players are tied in lost soul count, would that mean they both have the 'most' lost souls?
Based on the way Eli the Priest et al are played, the answer should be no.
Huh, I wonder how this factors in...
5. Are we seeing a new dominant card?
The set is not quite done. At least not for a few days.
5. not presently
There was not A new dominant card... ;D
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Told you.
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question, if both players are tied in lost soul count, would that mean they both have the 'most' lost souls?
Based on the way Eli the Priest et al are played, the answer should be no.
so if both players are tied, and the rescuer plays GoW, then the rescuer may begin another battle?
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That does appear to be true, which is particularly useful if you are tied 4-4. ;D
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i think its pretty funny how we were discussing 'staple' dominants the other day...this card is definately staple. if you dont use it for offense, then you're certainly going to use it for defense.
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I'm not sure, because grapes of wrath pretty much IS an evil dominant! ;)
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Huh, I wonder how this factors in...
5. Are we seeing a new dominant card?
The set is not quite done. At least not for a few days.
5. not presently
At the time, I wasn't looking at a dominant card. I don't know if HE was looking at a dominant, but it takes both of us looking at one to be "we seeing." :)
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There will be plenty of ways to exploit this, but it sure will be fun to be in a 4-4 tie, start a RA, use up almost every trick you have to make your opponent use up all their tricks to stop you, then play Grapes of Wrath to start a new battle while your opponent is depleted and take the victory for the win.
Woo-hoo! ;D
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Huh, I wonder how this factors in...
5. Are we seeing a new dominant card?
The set is not quite done. At least not for a few days.
5. not presently
At the time, I wasn't looking at a dominant card. I don't know if HE was looking at a dominant, but it takes both of us looking at one to be "we seeing." :)
You just made everyone else look like a word-bending lightweight. Wow.
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I like this card
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i wonder if this evil dominant will be a staple or not. GoW will be a staple
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What evil dominant?
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Anyone else see the Chinook Helicopter in the sky...? 8)
I didn't know there were helicopters in the Bible? :police:
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I didn't know Saint Patrick was in the Bible, .... or Salvation Army uniforms, .... or certain Emperors..., or angels with light sabres and hoverboards...
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Regardless...
I didn't know Jesus was coming back with helicopters in the background.
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I just see a wisp of dark clouds. Have you taken a Rorschach test lately?
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You didn't? Haven't you ever read Left Behind, the other 7 books of the Bible?
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You didn't? Haven't you ever read Left Behind, the other 7 books of the Bible?
Actually, I think there were 12 books in the series, and some prequels if I'm not mistaken.
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its actually jesus' recon helicopter.
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Left Behind, Tibulation Force, Assassins, Mark of the Beast(?), Armageddon, Indwelling, Glorious Appearing...what am I forgetting?
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Nicolae (3), Soul Harvest (4), Apollyon (5), Desecration (9), The Remnant (10).
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Left Behind, Tibulation Force, Assassins, Mark of the Beast(?), Armageddon, Indwelling, Glorious Appearing...what am I forgetting?
Wow...a lot
Left Behind
Tribulation Force
Nicole
Soul Harvest
Apollyon
Assassions
Indwelling
The Mark
Desecration
The Remnant
Armageddon
Glorious Appearing
Three prequels and a sequel (plus all the kids books).
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quite a few. nicolae, soul harvest, apollyon, desecration, the remnant, the rising, the regime, the rapture, and kingdom come.
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Ah, gotcha. It's been forever since I read them. I liked them, good writing and character development, but I never read Kingdom Come because it sounded stupid.
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I just see a wisp of dark clouds. Have you taken a Rorschach test lately?
Compare the ODDLY dark "blob" in the sky to this:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Findoorhelicopter-s.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2F55826676-300x300-0-0_rctwisterskyliftrtfrchelicopterchinookfree.jpg&hash=497617c037ff674d1f0f1d73d8cfc56ab1679cd9)
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question, if both players are tied in lost soul count, would that mean they both have the 'most' lost souls?
Based on the way Eli the Priest et al are played, the answer should be no.
Eli searches for an Artifact. Did you mean Jethro? And what other cards are you referencing with et al? Plagued with Diseases is the only other card I can find that would possibly work in a tie (most others say "fewer" or "more", which wouldn't be true in the case of a tie), or maybe I'm searching for the wrong words.
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I don't think there's any need for an evil Dominant, as we already have one that can't be Discarded by Desecrate the Temple. Wait, this is a good Dominant? Nowai.
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Eli searches for an Artifact. Did you mean Jethro?
I did. Fixed.
And what other cards [besides Plagued With Diseases] are you referencing with et al?
Nicanor, Timon, Dan, Parmenas, and Wickedness Abounds also are triggered by a player having "more of" something than another player.
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8 is more than 7, and 4 is not more than 4. But if the score is 4 to 4 to 2 to 1, don't two players have "the most" rescued souls?
In other words, I think that "is more than" is not the same as "is the greatest."
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This is a conversation from very shortly before we wrapped development:
A player tied for the most OT Heroes cannot draw a card with Jetro. Similarly, a player tied for the most Lost Souls would still be allowed to use this. Just want to make sure we’re all clear on this.
That is fine. I just want a 2nd or 3rd place player to get the chance to rescue again. Otherwise, all multi-player decks will use this as a defensive stop during a battle between 2 other players.
It was my understanding that this was known and stipulated as being correct, so that I could have an answer when the question inevitably arose.
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Still, the only real precedent is Jethro, and Jethro qualifies what happens in ties in his case (since the ability says the "player" not "players" with the most OT heroes). So, that is the only basis for the ruling. I am not opposed to the ruling. I'd honestly be happy either way. Just clarifying that it is based on how one card is played.
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I don't separate the qualifier from the definition, just as I don't separate the "two or more" qualifier from the definition of "lone Hero". In fact, the 10th Anniversary decks set a precedent for using parenthetical text to further explain what naturally happens with the stated abilities.
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I think it comes down to whether "the most" means "more than everyone else" or "the greatest number" (since 4 is the greatest number in a 4-4-3-2 situation, a person with 4 has the most). It could be interpreted either way, so I think the situation might require a Rob ruling.