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Agreed.  There's no universal law against reasonable assumptions based on the available facts.  It's when there is NO basis that they are dubious.

and you probably already knew he told you to go make a sandwich or something.

It was not sarcasm.

And I did not say assuming is a bad thing. You assumed that.

I enjoy my truly fulfilling and satisfying monogamous relationship with my smokin hot wife.

I thought only YMT had one of those!

Why would I enjoy my hollow open relationships? Who said I have one? Your putting words into my mouth.

No he has a hot wife...mine is SMOKIN hot!  

Wow. That's a great way to speak to a lady... why dont you just call her toots?

Why are open relationships necessarily more shallow than committed relationships?

On the contrary, committed relationships are often built on lies and thus are usually found out to be shallow post hoc.

Well, since Jesus was never sought female companionship (as far as we know), I don't see any relevance. You seem to be making your argument from your beliefs, assuming that they are the beliefs of everyone else, rather than making an argument for your beliefs.

Well, since Jesus was never sought female companionship (as far as we know), I don't see any relevance. You seem to be making your argument from your beliefs, assuming that they are the beliefs of everyone else, rather than making an argument for your beliefs.

Christ is in a continual search for female companionship and it is not open to any another female.

(Revelation 19:5-9)
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

He is the pattern for how we find our companions and our care for them.

(Ephesians 5:25-33)
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it (it not them);
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. 

Remember, I am not trying to talk you out of your desires but I am trying to get you to search the word of God.

(Matthew 4:4)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Try to base your beliefs on the word of God rather than what is becoming popular in this world. God Bless your search.

I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, so that argument doesn't really work for me.

Also, Christ's metaphorical wife is not equivocal to a twenty-first century American dating experience except in that we are to love our wives as he loves the church (us). A liberal/progressive translation could equivocate this to dating, but even this would not promote monogamous dating.

I would submit that if you're lying, then you're not making a real commitment to that person.  This seems like a meager attempt to marginalize the idea of the committed relationship by focusing on the noncommittal actions of some.  That's like saying atheists are better human beings than Christians because some people do the "church routine" without having a conversion event or genuinely engaging God.

I wasn't making a universal at all, I was merely speaking from both potential and experience. Because of both of these in combination, I've developed a general distrust of people in committed relationships. Thus, the attraction to a relationship where everything is out in the open and "free".

Suppose someone grew up in a charismatic church which they later realised was built on lies and self-deception. Could those people be blamed for going to a liturgical church and embracing the routine? (True story, my brother and I were both there and did.)

Quote from: Colin Michael on June 26, 2009, 01:29:59 PM

I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, so that argument doesn't really work for me.

I feel bad for you. You are missing out on a great opportunity to search and prove it through the ministry of the Holy Spirit. I will pray for you.

I have a college-level Bible education and have been raised by a family in the ministry. I've read it and tested it pretty well, I think.

I try to limit my advice on life's path to the bible. My personal advice is meaningless in the big scope. Nice to know where you stand.

So you only believe that parts of the Bible are true.  Or do you believe it all is?