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No, that is your opinion.

Please remember this the next time we discuss a controversial issue based on tradition.

I'll be happy to discuss it over pm's or AIM.

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Then we're back to the fact that you contradicted yourself in saying that open relationships are cool, and then agreeing with me in criticizing them.

how?

This question makes no sense.  The post you quoted IS the how.

I think fire is cool... would I enjoy burning?

So you only enjoy it when other people burn, but not when you burn?  I mean, as long as you are going to equate the analogy strictly with people being on fire or not, we might as well take the unreasonable comparison the whole way.

A liberal/progressive translation could equivocate this to dating, but even this would not promote monogamous dating.

I know I'm pulling this out of a response to someone else, but if you look closely at my explanation, you will see that I did not advocate monogamous dating in lieu of open relationships.  The point being that this is not a binary choice.

I wasn't making a universal at all, I was merely speaking from both potential and experience. Because of both of these in combination, I've developed a general distrust of people in committed relationships.

I don't see the "potential" in a lack of commitment.  I'm sorry that you distrust people in committed relationships on the mere basis of them being in a committed relationship, but I'm more prone to distrust people who want to acquire a benefit without paying the cost.  That carries a strong implication of where their priorities lie and that does not bode well when you find yourself in dire need.

Thus, the attraction to a relationship where everything is out in the open and "free".

Suppose someone grew up in a charismatic church which they later realised was built on lies and self-deception. Could those people be blamed for going to a liturgical church and embracing the routine? (True story, my brother and I were both there and did.)

I don't see how that's relevant.  Nobody wants to be deceived.  But your example correlates more closely with leaving a relationship with a liar and engaging in a similar relationship with an honest person.  You are still making a commitment (a stronger commitment, I would propose, based on the stricter traditions), but doing so within a context where you want that trust to be rewarded/repaid in kind.  That's not the same thing as going from a relationship where you are committed to a relationship where there are no stated expectations of commitment but still a desire to take that relationship to the depths that are reached when people actually sacrifice for each other rather than look out for themselves.

I have a college-level Bible education and have been raised by a family in the ministry. I've read it and tested it pretty well, I think.

There's no question that you're well-read and very clever.  But your penchant for dismissing things out of hand that don't suit your worldview causes me to question the level of confidence you enjoy in the certainty of your conclusions.

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Then we're back to the fact that you contradicted yourself in saying that open relationships are cool, and then agreeing with me in criticizing them.

No. That reply makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.  Look at it again.  The contradiction is that a). you said they are cool (which is what I posted above, and exactly what you said), and that you agreed with me when I was critical of them (again, that's what I said above, and it's exactly what you said previously).  Explain what it is about that which makes no sense to you.

Please do not put words into my mouth.

You first.  Or better yet, move off the bad analogy and back to the real subject.

Just because I said it's cool and I agreed with you it doesnt mean it's contradictory.

Quote from: The Schaef on June 27, 2009, 06:02:07 PM

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Please do not put words into my mouth.

You first.  Or better yet, move off the bad analogy and back to the real subject.

Woah woah, I'd appreciate it if you do not insinuate that i am dumb for not being able to give a good English analogy just because I'm Asian.

Ummm....I see not even a hint that he was being racist to you.  He was just saying to try and not use a bad analogy.  Your race card has been negated .