Author Topic: Ruling Question (Read 6670 times)

Alex_Olijar · « **on:** August 23, 2011, 01:04:44 AM »

~~Is it against the rules~~ Would the mods lock a thread tiering players of Redemption?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:14:22 AM »

I'd probably only lock it if I wasn't in Tier A, that is to say, the first tier below Gabe's tier, which consists of only him.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:17:29 AM »

I was thnking about producing both a forum tier list and a players tier list. Just to include everyone.

Smokey · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:18:56 AM »

I request being in Buffalo Tier.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:19:51 AM »

Quote from: Smokey on August 23, 2011, 01:18:56 AM

I request being in Buffalo Tier.

Buffalo tier is a mythical tier. None of us can attain it.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:39:08 AM »

No, you're thinking of Buffalo Tear:

Professoralstad · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:39:45 AM »

I wouldn't personally lock it, (well, because I couldn't unless you put it in the Ruling Questions forum), but I would probably suggest it be locked/deleted. I don't think that tier lists, even if done in an unserious manner, are helpful for building community. There would without a doubt be some who would be offended, unless everyone was the same tier, in which case it would be spam. And since the thread was started by you, and it would be spam, it would undoubtedly be locked...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:41:34 AM »

I can't decide if I should -1 that for the stupid game it made me remember or support it because it has a buffalo. Thanks for a conondrum Pol.

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 23, 2011, 01:39:45 AM

I wouldn't personally lock it, (well, because I couldn't unless you put it in the Ruling Questions forum), but I would probably suggest it be locked/deleted. I don't think that tier lists, even if done in an unserious manner, are helpful for building community. There would without a doubt be some who would be offended, unless everyone was the same tier, in which case it would be spam.

Considering the amount of sarcasm in the current draft of the list, I'm doubting anyone would possibly ever take it seriously enough to get hurt (unless they think Rob Anderson is bottom tier material).

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And since the thread was started by you, and it would be spam, it would undoubtedly be locked...

Knew it.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2011, 07:56:38 AM »

I think that a sarcastic "tier thread" would probably not work well because of the potential for offense mentioned already.

I have thought that having an overall ranking thread (based on the ELO system for chess or something similar) could be interesting. It's objectivity would hopefully keep it from offending people, and you could set it up so that only people who volunteered to participate would be included.

But that would be a lot of work...

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2011, 08:23:16 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 23, 2011, 07:56:38 AM

I think that a sarcastic "tier thread" would probably not work well because of the potential for offense mentioned already.

I have thought that having an overall ranking thread (based on the ELO system for chess or something similar) could be interesting. It's objectivity would hopefully keep it from offending people, and you could set it up so that only people who volunteered to participate would be included.

But that would be a lot of work...

Working on it. There are a number of logistical problems--so it is a long ways off--but I am working on it.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2011, 08:34:39 AM »

I know at least one person who would explode with rage if that happened.

The M · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2011, 09:36:50 AM »

Is there an in between good and noob category?

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2011, 12:50:14 PM »

Honestly, if you get offended over a ranking system, then I would be inclined to think that is something you would need to get with God about. If you think you should be higher in the ranks, then you will need to play a lot of games to prove it. Like it has been mentioned before (to me at least), some people won't take you seriously until they've played you. I might be pretty decent where I live, but only the people where I live at would know for certain. Smelling what I'm stepping in? It would be cool to have an overall ranking system that kept track of your tourney points for all of the years you've played and at the different levels you've played at. A record based on facts is about as objective as you could get. Just my twopence.

-C_S

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2011, 12:52:19 PM »

Honestly, I don't respect RNRS at all. It's inherently skewed towards weaker, more active regions.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:07:56 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2011, 12:52:19 PM

Honestly, I don't respect RNRS at all. It's inherently skewed towards weaker, more active regions.

Then only respect States or Regionals and above. Locals and districts are usually the same people playing against the same people (i.e. locally) over and over. I'd say that someone who has won nationals in a specific category multiple times is someone who gains some respect considering some of the best players from across the country try to attend. If you've played 300 games in a certain category where you live, sure, you have experience, but if you haven't played against a lot of other people, then I don't really have much to gauge your skill level on. I've heard some people are notorious in certain categories, thus, I'm inclined to believe they might prove to be a challenge should I play them. Dunno, goat cheese and two pennies is all I have to offer.

-C_S

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:09:50 PM »

I don't respect States or even some Regionals. A great example is type 1.5. It works in FL, but until it works somewhere else, I can't take it seriously.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:16:26 PM »

I live in Florida, I've seen 1.5, but it still is more of a local thing. However, you have at least heard of it. One tournament is not going to gain someone massive respect (Unless Nationals was their first tournament and they won every category...). In time, 1.5 might gain more prestige or it might not. However, some players from other states got to see it and thought it was interesting and might have some potential. I don't have a 1.5 myself because I don't play T2. Who knows. Still, people shouldn't get offended.

-C_S

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #17 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:22:09 PM »

You should ask them permission if they would like to be on the tier-list. For the people who say yes, go ahead. For the people who say no, then dont. Simple.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #18 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:24:19 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2011, 01:09:50 PM

A great example is type 1.5. It works in FL, but until it works somewhere else, I can't take it seriously.

I admit that the jury is still out on type 1.5, but it did beat RTSmaniac, who is a well-respected T2 player who has been successful at big tournaments for many years. That earns at least a little street-cred in my book

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 23, 2011, 01:24:19 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
A great example is type 1.5. It works in FL, but until it works somewhere else, I can't take it seriously.
I admit that the jury is still out on type 1.5, but it did beat RTSmaniac, who is a well-respected T2 player who has been successful at big tournaments for many years. That earns at least a little street-cred in my book

Agreed.

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #20 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:44:46 PM »

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on August 23, 2011, 01:22:09 PM

You should ask them permission if they would like to be on the tier-list. For the people who say yes, go ahead. For the people who say no, then dont. Simple.

Or you could just have a sign-up thread for an unoffical tier list. Anyone who would want to join would simply just say that they want to join on the thread, then after a month or so make the thread.

soul seeker · « **Reply #21 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:55:26 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2011, 12:52:19 PM

Honestly, I don't respect RNRS at all. It's inherently skewed towards weaker, more active regions.

Hey Now! Watch yourself! That is my main source of validation in life. You watch your mouth or I will beat you down in a Redemption game of the RNRS category of your choice!!!

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 23, 2011, 08:34:39 AM

I know at least one person who would explode with rage if that happened.

How do you know that about me...we've never met! You must have ESPN or something!

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 23, 2011, 12:50:14 PM

Honestly, if you get offended over a ranking system, then I would be inclined to think that is something you would need to get with God about.

God and I are sorting that out. Until then, I don't need your spiritually, logical conclusions heaping extra conviction on me!!!!

Quote from: The M on August 23, 2011, 09:36:50 AM

Is there an in between good and noob category?

No...in fact, I think good and noob are the same category. That's right! I broke the board rules and said it! Gabe is a noob!

Extra random fact: I have not heard of or won at Type 1.5 soooooo it doesn't exist!

Now that I've gotten my obnoxious, self-amusing humor out of the way. I don't agree with any Tier-style/Hall of Fame ranking style systems because they are subjective and create division/bad feelings. Everyone has their own mental system worked out and like Counter Sniper stated: people will only respect/take serious those they have played.
However, I'm beginning to think that I would rather be a dark horse at a tournament...at least in multiplayer categories.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2011, 01:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 23, 2011, 01:24:19 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
A great example is type 1.5. It works in FL, but until it works somewhere else, I can't take it seriously.
I admit that the jury is still out on type 1.5, but it did beat RTSmaniac, who is a well-respected T2 player who has been successful at big tournaments for many years. That earns at least a little street-cred in my book

They should come to the T2 only this year and we'll see how it does. It's still the best (well, equal with nats, but it has more players than Nats, and is therefore better) judge of T2 players.

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on August 23, 2011, 01:44:46 PM

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on August 23, 2011, 01:22:09 PM
You should ask them permission if they would like to be on the tier-list. For the people who say yes, go ahead. For the people who say no, then dont. Simple.

Or you could just have a sign-up thread for an unoffical tier list. Anyone who would want to join would simply just say that they want to join on the thread, then after a month or so make the thread.

This is actually a pretty good idea.

I'll sign up. I call Chobo Tier.

These tier lists wouldn't necessarily be about how good somebody is, but could be how they are on the boards.
"Epic Troll Tier"
Sauce

"Other Trolls"
Olijar
Colin

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:06:04 PM »

I'm Not A Troll.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:08:50 PM »

I honestly don't think that a thread like the one you are proposing would be beneficial. As far as ~~the rules~~ go, those are being discussed.

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Author Topic: Ruling Question (Read 6670 times)

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