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Title: Re: Boards
Post by: RTSmaniac on May 13, 2009, 10:41:41 AM
i dont want to see anyone leave. I love this board and everytime i see you monkeys it just brings a smile to my heart. When i signed up for face book i didnt have any friends on thier yet and it asked me if i wanted to see some people i might know. And guess who it showed me...
all you redemption guys.
you guys might not know me so well but ive been to 4 national tournaments and a bunch of others and when i saw all those faces on facebook that ive seen over the years it almost brought tears to my eyes. I love you guys and i DO consider all of you dear to my heart. If anyone of you needed some place to go you would be welcome here in dalton ga. Im sorry for the way ive been acting lately and i hope anyone ive offended could forgive me.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Lawfuldog on May 13, 2009, 01:59:25 PM
I'm with Cliff on this one. I understand that this is a Christian forum, but the rules are a little strict and if some were to be changed, it would probably appeal to more of the community.

This will probably sound like I'm making suggestions against the rules and that would "contradict" Christianity, but I can assure you that is not my reasoning. I am a Christian and believe that by His grace I am saved, and am a Christian. Now, please take the time to read the next comment:

These boards are treated as if it was a church. I see no problem in that, but I believe in order to attract newcomers (people from the average community) we need to lighten up a little. I'll be honest, if I was looking for a game, and saw this boards where everytime someone makes a clever or witty comment that is meant to be a joke, it gets deleted. I would rather be able to talk to people freely about whatever I enjoy doing or talking about. Now, don't get me wrong, there definitely needs to be guidelines. Such as no posting links to inappropriate sites that contain language or other explicit material, no use of language on the boards, no personal attacks and insults, and a few other small details.

I understand that some are stricter than others about what they allow their children to see and talk about, in fear of them being influenced in the wrong way. But in my own opinion, I think we should be able to talk about whatever we want. Whether it be Christian, or of the secular side of the world. You can pretend all you want that it's not there, but the secular will always be there no matter what. I think we should be able to talk about whatever music we want, because if music is someone's passion and they are not able to speak about it without being reprimanded for it, than I would not think that they enjoy being on here. I think we should be able to talk about whatever games we play, rather it be rated M, or have magical aspects to it. Face it, the majority of us on the boards DO listen to secular music, DO play M rated games, and do everything else that is prohibited on the boards. Giving us the freedom to speak about it has no downside, it would allow us to relate to other members and discuss about whatever is our passion.

And I think appealing to the non-Christian community in some aspects would not only add more players and increase the game's popularity, but I believe it has the potential to change their lives by showing them how nice and friendly people on the boards are, and possibly convert them to Christianity.

That's just my opinion, I have simply stated it. Report me all you want, I could care less if I get banned and can't post anymore, the boards are not as fun and appealing as they used to be.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 02:05:03 PM
I was looking for a game, and saw this boards where everytime someone makes a clever or witty comment that is meant to be a joke, it gets deleted.

Every time?  Really?

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But in my own opinion, I think we should be able to talk about whatever we want.

There are a lot of things that I want to talk about, that do not fall within the guidelines for these boards.  Therefore, I am deferential both to the authorities who put those guidelines in place, and to the young posters whom they are meant to guard.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Lawfuldog on May 13, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
I was looking for a game, and saw this boards where everytime someone makes a clever or witty comment that is meant to be a joke, it gets deleted.

Every time?  Really?

Clever and witty weren't the words I should've used to make my point, sorry about that. The just of what I was trying to point out, is that the board's strict rules about staying on topic is preventing the freedom of speech to an extent where it limits conversation. When someone starts a thread asking a farily simple question, it gets answered in the first two or three posts. It's not the end of the world if someone makes a comment that cause a thread (that is now pointless, since the question was answered) go off topic and starts a side conversation with another member.

And don't take any of this personally, I'm just stating my opinion.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
It's not the end of the world if someone makes a comment that cause a thread (that is now pointless, since the question was answered) go off topic and starts a side conversation with another member.

So it's your observation that every thread which strays off the original topic for any reason gets closed?
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on May 13, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
I'm going to come out and say that these boards have been really flexible.  A few months ago, this was to the extreme with a lot of the younger members.  Now, I think we are at a really good balance.  Not a ton of moderation, but enough to stop the spam.

Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SoulSaver on May 13, 2009, 03:37:58 PM
I'm sad to say I feel differently than Cliff. Cliff you did nothing wrong on these boards, if anything what you said is constructive criticism that the mods should take into full account. The sad thing is mods like Sheaf are running these boards, and anything that goes contrare to his view is ousted and the user warned or put on probation. This and the fact that younger more immature people are constantly getting other people upset or getting upset themselves makes this board a not cool place to be. Also I'm not going to say who, but there are a few people who just don't sit right with me when I attend tournaments.  Because of these problems and more I regretfully announce my decision to never pick up a Redemption card or visit here again. Don't get me wrong the mechanics of this card game are outstanding, but this game lacks in my opinion where it really counts.

God bless,

Daniel Whitten (Formerly known as SoulSaver)
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
We would hate to see you go, especially for these reasons.  I have to say that, while I appreciate your perspective, it just doesn't line up with the facts, and there is plenty of evidence available right here on the boards.

Hopefully when you've had a chance to think it through, you'll give some of these unnamed people a chance to reconcile, perhaps by speaking to them in private.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: lightningninja on May 13, 2009, 03:52:49 PM
Uhm... Wow. One of the best redemption players just left...  :-\

I was a new member about 6 months ago. I found this place too lenient when I first joined and that almost turned me away. Yes... secular stuff is out there. So is pre-marital sex. Does that mean I can talk about that on the boards? Absolutely not. Drugs are out there... but I'm not making drug-dealing posts. The Bible tells us to be above reproach, and the mods simply try to help us be that way.

I see no problem... I've found posts that ABSOLUTELY needed modding... but they never got modded or even warned. I think what we need is consistency, not less "strictness." For example, one member said, "I will go over there and personally straighten you out." He was modded. Then someone else says, "next time I see you, I'm gonna shoot you." He was fine... his post was deleted but he never got warned. That's the only problem I see on these boards... but I do not think they are too strict.

Are they more strict than other boards... yep. That's good. We are Christians and yes, we are different and should be more strict on ourselves. If we aren't... the mods try to keep us in check.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 03:56:50 PM
Let's bear in mind that not all mods are watching all posts at all times, and most certainly, all rumors to the contrary, no one mod is on all the time nor monitors every single post.  I have faith in the competence of the people I asked to help but despite our best efforts stuff gets missed sometimes.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: TimMierz on May 13, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
And if you do come across a post that merits moderation, there is a "Report to moderator" link that sends emails immediately to any local and global moderators.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: TheMarti on May 13, 2009, 04:06:47 PM
Accountability is the name of the game here... and that's what we're trying to do. It's hard to get everything at every point. I moderate a board, and feel that, at times, I am "too" flexible.... but that's because my part of the boards is a whole different ball game.

Being a Christian is a lifestyle.

And also, if this is "like a church..." did you ever think, maybe it is a church? The Church is not a building, it is the body of believers, and we are a part of that body. Therefore, we are called to be examples, loving, but calling each other out when things are made of fail. We need to guard younger players and appeal to older players. We have a unique mix here because the board is SOOO expansive with ages.

I work in youth ministry as a volunteer, and one of the most important things with that is the fact that we need to protect without sheltering, and I feel that we do that here. I appreciate all of my fellow mods and the hard work they put into making this a family-friendly and safe website.

~Marti
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: STAMP on May 13, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
SOOO expansive with ages.

I resemble that remark.

 ;)
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on May 13, 2009, 04:14:18 PM
We would hate to see you go, especially for these reasons.  I have to say that, while I appreciate your perspective, it just doesn't line up with the facts, and there is plenty of evidence available right here on the boards.

Hopefully when you've had a chance to think it through, you'll give some of these unnamed people a chance to reconcile, perhaps by speaking to them in private.
Well, don't worry about it, he was talking about some person called Sheaf.  =0


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The sad thing is mods like Sheaf are running these boards, and anything that goes contrare to his view is ousted and the user warned or put on probation.
I don't see this as a problem.  He has shown that he can moderate.  Unless you do community self moderation (ie Wikipedia etc...), there really is no other solution.  While I have felt inthe last moderation was not enough, I side with Schaef.  He has put a lot of time and work into the forum, so I think you are being perfectionist.  While I like the idea of a few more mods that are on a lot already, I think the mods are doing a good job, especially lately. 
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Sean on May 13, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
I don't think SoulSaver was serious.

In addition to that, I would like to offer my services for the position of tyrannical moderator.  I can easily increase the amount of time that I stalk the message boards in order to use my iron fist of judgment upon people who don't really deserve it.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: TimMierz on May 13, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
He was serious enough to delete his account.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 13, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
I like Schaef. He hasn't warned me yet.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcactusgamedesign.com%2Fmessage_boards%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnwarn.gif&hash=f188073d20178564d50031f137e93fd1b4cf549e) Because I just couldn't pass up the chance.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on May 13, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
I like Schaef. He hasn't warned me yet.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcactusgamedesign.com%2Fmessage_boards%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnwarn.gif&hash=f188073d20178564d50031f137e93fd1b4cf549e) Because I just couldn't pass up the chance.

HAHAHAHAHAH! :rollin:
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2009, 05:01:27 PM
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Every time?  Really?
The fact that you said that shows something about yourself.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: sk on May 13, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
 :D And they say witty comments are deleted...

I don't know what caused this blow-up, but Schaef has generally done a good job in keeping the boards in check.  I'd rather a mod that occasionally gets a bit over aggressive in cleaning the boards than one that lets stuff fly that could hurt Cactus' name. Besides, the boards are free to use.  You are free to go elsewhere if you don't like the way they work.

I understand that some are stricter than others about what they allow their children to see and talk about, in fear of them being influenced in the wrong way. But in my own opinion, I think we should be able to talk about whatever we want. Whether it be Christian, or of the secular side of the world.
But that's not the purpose of these boards.  If you want to be free to discuss anything, there are plenty of places you can go that I personally avoid because they're just spam centers with stuff I work hard to not see.  A moderated system stays safe and above reproach.  Besides, Redemption itself follows the idea of a seperate alternative to the secular culture, so it makes sense that a forum associated with it would do the same.

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You can pretend all you want that it's not there, but the secular will always be there no matter what. I think we should be able to talk about whatever music we want, because if music is someone's passion and they are not able to speak about it without being reprimanded for it, than I would not think that they enjoy being on here. I think we should be able to talk about whatever games we play, rather it be rated M, or have magical aspects to it. Face it, the majority of us on the boards DO listen to secular music, DO play M rated games, and do everything else that is prohibited on the boards. Giving us the freedom to speak about it has no downside, it would allow us to relate to other members and discuss about whatever is our passion.
But again, this is not the place for it.  Rob, Doug, Schaef, et al, have been nice enough to give us the freedom to discuss things not related to Redemption (cheese, sneezing, Mac v PC, etc).  If they have a limit on what is "free speech" in this area, it is their decision.  You are free to make a community that is completely open elsewhere if you feel it is needed. Also, threads have previously hinted/stated that a member of this board partakes in questionable activity.  I'm sure you don't mean that kind of stuff should be acceptable because it is something people do.


On a side note, I just reread through the board's list of rules:

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Please do not post active links to gaming sites for recruitment purposes

Oops.  MyBrute thread, look out...
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 13, 2009, 05:08:33 PM
I'm tempted to throw a fit and leave. But then I laughed too hard. Thanks for the warn Schaef!!
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Sean on May 13, 2009, 05:13:51 PM
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Rob, Doug, Schaef, et al, have been nice enough to give us the freedom to discuss things not related to Redemption
I don't think Doug is involved on the boards anymore.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 05:14:52 PM
The fact that you said that shows something about yourself.

Would you care to share what you think it shows?  What fault do you find in examining the reasonableness of a claim instead of jumping every time someone says boo?
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
I mean, thinking back to why I started Redemption, it was because I wasn't allowed to play Magic and wanted to find an alternative. Those same parents who don't want there kids playing Magic are sending them here.
We all grew up playing this game and continue to play it because we like it, not because of some kind of moral decision.
I personally don't think I'll be very over-protective of my kids (though I'm sure my wife will be and it will balance it out). Kids mature as fast as you'll let them (from my perspective as an older brother).
Regardless, there are young kids on these boards who are playing Redemption because their parents don't want them exposed to lifestyles and ideas they disagree with, and although I may disagree with their parenting, it is their right to protect their kid's innocence.

Something like the occult, for instance, if investigated in a young age, could lead to a very addictive, mystic lifestyle, one I believe to be built on lies. I was nineteen when I studied the occult (for educational purposes); if I was much younger the lure to power probably would have allowed me to deceive myself into entering into an addiction.

The occult is like World of Warcraft: if you're a high level, you can smack around noobs and feel better about yourself; thus, your ego becomes addicted.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
And it is not our right to thwart those parenting decisions because of the freedoms enjoyed by others.  We are only facilitators and it is our responsibility to defer to "the least of these", and not to cause a stumblingblock.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
And it is not our right to thwart those parenting decisions because of the freedoms enjoyed by others.  We are only facilitators and it is our responsibility to defer to "the least of these", and not to cause a stumblingblock.
I would defer to the mean, which I'd say that you do already.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2009, 05:25:34 PM
Hey schaef let the men talk this one out, you go quote somewhere else.
I do not need an explanation to what I said it is quite obvious what I meant. Here is another example.
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So it's your observation that every thread which strays off the original topic for any reason gets closed?
Do you need me to explain this too?
I know for a fact you will read this, think about a response for thirty minutes, and then post something back and have the last word. And to tell you the truth I really don't care if that is what makes you feel good about yourself and make you think you get a job well done, go for it.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
If your response to an honest question is to refuse an answer, throw insults, and continue to question someone's character, I'm not particularly interested in having the last word, because there's really nothing I can say in response to that kind of behavior.  I don't think of you that way so I'm having a hard time putting myself into the mindset where I can understand why you would react this way.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 05:30:09 PM
This feels like the 70's: being anti-establishment for the sake of being anti-establishment. Bring up your issues, but don't attack character.


As Matthew writes,
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But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brotherwill be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[c]' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 13, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
There appears to be more to this whole story than just what has been said here on the boards. SoulSaver's comments were unusually negative recently. This kind of decision is not made on a whim. I agree with Colin's general observation of "anti-establishment," but there still has to be something else that is unseen that affected recent choices.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 05:53:51 PM
How absurd men are! They never use the liberties they have, they demand those they do not have. They have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech.

-Søren Kierkegaard
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: lightningninja on May 13, 2009, 06:28:55 PM
What's with the "I hate Schaef!" attitude? I don't get it... I think he does a great job.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MrMiYoda on May 13, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
What's with the "I hate Schaef!" attitude? I don't get it... I think he does a great job.

Peace all.  I have been silent but very observant of the goings-on on these boards.  I might lose some of you who are close to me at heart with my agreement to the quote above, but, since you who know who you are and that you trust me,  join me in congratulating Stephen Schaeffer in keeping the boards intact.  Believe me, those of us who will stay on and be part of these boards will be its stronghold.  I have considered the boards as home and family, thus, I have promised to follow its set rules whether or not I disagree with them.  I call it fidelity --- a gift that all of us must have in life.

God bless us.

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ps.  --- Daniel Whitten, I want you back, son.  Clift, I was touched by your initial post --- peace!
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on May 13, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
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join me in congratulating Stephen Schaeffer in keeping the boards intact.

here here!   :thumbup:

Title: Re: Boards
Post by: STAMP on May 13, 2009, 07:25:10 PM
I support ALL the moderators and feel they do an excellent job.   :thumbup:

I also will add that the boards are a privilege, NOT a right.

Furthermore, you may have the freedom of speech in our country, but you do not have the freedom of speech in my home.  The same holds true for the message boards.  It is simply one of several rooms at Cactus, which is essentially Rob's home.

Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on May 13, 2009, 07:34:30 PM
So every time we post it is an invasion of Rob's privacy?  ;)
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on May 13, 2009, 07:42:04 PM
While I've been warned and had posts deleted by Schaef, I would also like to agree with ReyZen. He's done a great job keeping this place clean, he's taken the time to add new sections and functions, all to help this place run smoothly.

While I too would like to discuss some things which are not allowed here, primarily games and movies... I respect the rules laid down by the creators of the boards. To deal with that, I simply go elsewhere to talk about them, like AIM or another forum. I haven't had any problems with it, so I don't know why some people in this thread are.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Sean on May 13, 2009, 07:49:03 PM
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Furthermore, you may have the freedom of speech in our country, but you do not have the freedom of speech in my home.  The same holds true for the message boards.  It is simply one of several rooms at Cactus, which is essentially Rob's home.
Good analogy.

I would like to take this time to announce my endorsement deal with Kleenex.  As a result, I will be providing everyone with tissue in order to wipe their noses.  Well, not everyone, but you know who you are!
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2009, 09:31:33 PM
I think all the mods and admins, EXCEPT LAMBO are doing an awesome job. GOSH Lambo is such a noob!*

*Kidding
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 10:07:16 PM

While I too would like to discuss some things which are not allowed here, primarily games, cheese, and movies...
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
Roy put it in perspective for me. Guess I didn't agree with some of Schaeffs stuff and was looking for a fight. Sorry.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Minister Polarius on May 13, 2009, 10:14:47 PM
I missed that cheese bit. There is a lot of win there.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 13, 2009, 10:16:40 PM
And that incident taught me a lesson about the "quarantine" section that, ironically, I had set up myself for scenarios exactly like that.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: The Spy on May 13, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
If anything, I think it is a certain disrespect for the Schaef’s leniency that has hurt the boards the most. Up until recently, I have not posted much on the boards, but not because of the Schaef, but because of all of the rebellion to Schaef. Since I like the household analogue used earlier, I will extend it a bit:

The Schaef is like a parent who has just given a little more freedom and responsibility to his growing teenager. A large number of people on these boards have taken quickly to his freedom and good humor, but have totally ignored the responsibility that falls on their shoulders. Much like a teenager who is experiencing his mock battles, a large group of board members have become frustrated with The Schaef and (like the teenager) have rebelled at every opportunity.

This sort of rebellious attitude has kept me and a large number of members from even wanting to post lately. I miss my conversations with older board members who have since taken a hiatus from the boards, but I don't blame the Schaef. I really think that most of this complaining is unwarranted, and I find all of the Schaef’s choices to be called for and well thought out.

If you disagree with The Schaef, PM him (although he doesn't really chat through PM's) but don't create an anti-moderator/authority thread. I understand that many of you disagree with the Schaef, but the boards are not a Democracy, and I think we need to respect him all the more for being in charge.

:2cents:

BTW Schaef, I absolutely love your avatar.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on May 13, 2009, 11:21:22 PM

While I too would like to discuss some things which are not allowed here, primarily games, cheese, and movies...

You are correct, I missed that part.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: xCaLeBx on May 13, 2009, 11:28:14 PM
but I don't blame the Schaef. I really think that most of this complaining is unwarranted, and I find all of the Schaef’s choices to be called for and well thought out.


I disagree I see him as sort of tyranting sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes he will delete things just because he doesn't like them. Other times hes the best mod you could be. Moodswings?  :o But I think some leniency should be given (the M game rule is a little over the top when I know most of the guys on here play halo/call of duty) The people on these boards are for the most part older, maturer people. (its Ironic I'm saying this me being on of the youngest.) Overall great job schaef but if you could try to be a little more lenient in the fun side of stuff (cheese for one thing) that'd be great. I think that if you do become stricter more great members (I'm very sad SoulSaver left he was a great guy I liked and looked up to and a great help in my first yr or two of redemption and even currently helping with my decks) will be leaving. Leaving this board left with a bunch of old strict men and young hyper immature kids.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Tsavong Lah on May 13, 2009, 11:36:45 PM
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This sort of rebellious attitude has kept me and a large number of members from even wanting to post lately. I miss my conversations with older board members who have since taken a hiatus from the boards, but I don't blame the Schaef. I really think that most of this complaining is unwarranted, and I find all of the Schaef’s choices to be called for and well thought out.

Agreed. This recent bout of whiny rebelliousness is petulant and immature and desperately needs to end. This forum has a mixed age group, and if you want to talk about things that hover above the lowest common denominator's maturity level, then you need to do it on some other forum.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MichaelHue on May 13, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Um, wow.  Internet drama...is...

...wow.

While I enjoy pointless threads as much as the next person, I also understand that it is the mods'/admins' unfortunate duty to delete them.  To me, the knowledge of imminent baleetion is (partly) what makes those threads fun.  It's sort of a joke between the posters and the mods; the posters get to have their fun for a while, until a moderator deletes the thread.  It's no big deal, just a fun diversion from time to time.

As to flaming, honestly, I've found that most posts (not even strictly negative or insulting posts) don't need to be made at all.  Unless it's clearly just in good fun, I often refrain from posting unless I have a good reason to do so.  Seriously, the best thing to do when you're mad is to walk away from your computer.  No one can keep a flame war going on their own; the mature thing to do is to simply ignore any provocative remarks
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This thread is provocative
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Walking away from an online conflict is much, much easier than doing so in a face-to-face confrontation, but somehow people don't seem to realize that.  I used to get into arguments on the boards frequently, just because I enjoy arguing, but I realized that it is incredibly easy for people to be hurt or get upset over an online discussion.  

If the boards were restricted to people of a certain age, it would be different, but as there are people with different levels of maturity, everyone needs to act accordingly.  As Schaef said, we need to defer to "the least of these."  As much as I would enjoy discussing certain things that are not acceptable topics on this board, I don't, because they're not appropriate for all its members.  While some may feel that they are "mature enough" to do post about certain topics, they must realize that this may not be the place to do so.  If something is inappropriate for one member, it is inappropriate for the boards.  I think, in light of this, Schaef has done a good job keeping the boards going in a family-friendly way.

Post-post: SoulSaver, please don't quit Redemption, I was looking forward to seeing you at future Nats :'(

/end wall of text that's probably not even relevant to the situation, I have no clue what's going on ;D

**edit** Btw, where is this so-called "cheese thread"? **edit**
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 13, 2009, 11:57:47 PM
I agree that all critiques of Shaef's modding should be taken to PM's; I've certainly tried to do that with the things I've disagreed with him on.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Gabe on May 14, 2009, 12:31:34 AM
Schaef pwns for working hard at a (mostly) thankless job, namely modding these boards, and doing it with excellence.  I agree with most of his decisions.  On the occasion that I don't, I submit to his authority because it's been entrusted to him, not me.  If he faults, and that's a matter of opinion, he does it just as often by being too lenient as he does by being too strict.

BTW, Colin wins the thread.  I can't recall ever seeing so many edifying comments from him before.  Well done, dude. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on May 14, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
**edit** Btw, where is this so-called "cheese thread"? **edit**

It's long gone....  :'(

Just know it was an epic masterpiece of a thread.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Minister Polarius on May 14, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
There is just wyn after wyn after wyn on this thread...and it's (honestly) about Schaef. Coincidence? I think not. Remember back to when I didn't like him, I was immature. I wonder if the that I agree with the spirit of this thread says anything about me?











Probably not, I'm just biased toward him because he introduced me to Cutthroat Caverns.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 14, 2009, 01:07:44 AM
The secret is out, I bribe the trolls with board games.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: Bryon on May 14, 2009, 02:04:02 AM
Really?  Then can I be a troll for a day?
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Minister Polarius on May 14, 2009, 02:14:51 AM
No vacancies. It's pretty crowded under this bridge.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: The Schaef on May 14, 2009, 06:55:26 AM
Really?  Then can I be a troll for a day?

You don't need it.  You taught us Bang! so you get an exemption.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: crustpope on May 14, 2009, 08:03:13 AM
Im gonna come down on the side of schaef. 

First I know him personally and while he comes off as heavy handed sometimes, its only because that is his job on these boards.  get him away from these boards and he is nothing like what some people are describing him here.

second, the rules and guidelines of this board are clearly explained.  If you disagree, then try to convince those who make the rules to change them.  Sniping comments and blatant disrespect, however, are not appropriate and only prove the need to govern the topics in some areas because of the lack of maturity displayed by some members.  I dont know who makes the rules, Rob? Bryon? Schaef? or some combination of those?  I dont know, but finding that information out and complaining in a respectful way to the proper channels would be a much more productive way of getting a "Rated M" video game discussion thread than telling schaef he is a meanie for deleting a post.

I went to college (the first time) at Asbury, a conservative christian college.  We could not even visit the ladies dorm beyond the main lobby except on special once a month sunday visits that lasted for 3 hours.  We also had curfew's and other dress code rules.  MANY people pitched fits about these rules...the problem with that approach is that they KNEW the rules before they came to the college and then still agreed to come to the college.  The same situation is happeneing here.  You know the rules.  If you dont like them, make a different forum or take those conversations to other places.  It is literrally that simple.  If you think you can change the rules by rason and arguement try to do so respectfully, otherwise stop clogging up the forum with pathetic rants and fits. 

Third, posting is a privlege, not a right.  If you INSIST on pitching fits all the time, I will INSTIST that Schaef remove you from the boards.  So, please get with the program and quit crying.

Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MichaelHue on May 14, 2009, 09:45:33 AM
Probably not, I'm just biased toward him because he introduced me to Cutthroat Caverns.
+1
The secret is out, I bribe the trolls with board games.
Somehow it worked, even though I constantly had a certain card played against me... ::)
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 14, 2009, 10:05:46 AM
Kirk talked me out of it... ::)
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: EmJayBee83 on May 14, 2009, 10:09:49 AM
Kirk talked me out of it... ::)
Welcome to the Boards!

Don't worry about being a n00b, we were all in your position at one time.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 14, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
I do kinda feel kinda n00bish. Oh well... :-*
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MichaelHue on May 14, 2009, 10:23:23 AM
Kirk talked me out of it... ::)
Yay!
[modbreak=Schaef]EDGE OUT![/modbreak]

 :rollin:
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: xCaLeBx on May 14, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
I do kinda feel kinda n00bish. Oh well... :-*
at least you didn't get hacked *mumbles* anyways yays your back!
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 14, 2009, 02:19:46 PM
Wb Daniel w.

*Joins daniel under the bridge*

I got bribed with Cutthroat caverns AND The queens gambit!
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Colin Michael on May 14, 2009, 03:15:07 PM
  MANY people pitched fits about these rules...the problem with that approach is that they KNEW the rules before they came to the college and then still agreed to come to the college. 
See, the Nazarenes tried a different tactic with me and neglected to inform students of the rules until they had signed up and committed and stuff.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 14, 2009, 05:12:25 PM
I had never even heard of Jerry Falwell before I transferred to Liberty University. I just wanted rules because I was leaving such a dark past behind.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MrMiYoda on May 14, 2009, 11:20:35 PM
Kirk talked me out of it... ::)

Welcome back.  I'll get you when I see you at Nats.  ;)

Godbless!
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 14, 2009, 11:21:38 PM
Daniel change your name that's lame! And call me! You know I love late night talks with you.  :-*
You'll always be Soulsaver in my heart. ;)
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: MichaelHue on May 14, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
Wb Daniel w.

*Joins daniel under the bridge*

I got bribed with Cutthroat caverns AND The queens gambit!
Oh yeah I almost forgot The Queen's Gambit, that was pretty awesome, I wish we'd gotten to play more than one game.  Now I really have to make it to Nats this year so I can play all those cool board games again.

And of course there was Family Business (I think that's what it was called).  That was a ton of fun too.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: JSB23 on May 15, 2009, 12:29:13 AM
And of course there was Family Business (I think that's what it was called).  That was a ton of fun too.
I'm bringing it to Iowa States if anyone wants to come
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 15, 2009, 01:35:42 AM
Quote
Daniel change your name that's lame! And call me! You know I love late night talks with you.   :-*
You'll always be Soulsaver in my heart.   ;)

 Awww, I LOVE YOU TYLER STEVENS! :-* I didn't know you could change your name; how do you do that? I'm sorry I was too busy to call you tonight Ty Ty, I'll call you tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 15, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
Wb Daniel w.

*Joins daniel under the bridge*

I got bribed with Cutthroat caverns AND The queens gambit!
Oh yeah I almost forgot The Queen's Gambit, that was pretty awesome, I wish we'd gotten to play more than one game.  Now I really have to make it to Nats this year so I can play all those cool board games again.

And of course there was Family Business (I think that's what it was called).  That was a ton of fun too.
Even though I gunned everyone down. And yeah it was, it was really close at the end till I figured how to move destroyer droids. I wish we could of too, but it is a VERY long game.
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 15, 2009, 03:13:33 PM
Lol Someone changed my name. ::) :P Thanks unknown person... :laugh: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: lightningninja on May 15, 2009, 03:14:15 PM
Welcome to the boards! So how long have you played redemption?  :D
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 15, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Since I was in a crib. :-*
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: MichaelHue on May 16, 2009, 12:48:13 AM
Since I was in a crib. :-*
Everyone would've known who you were without a name change, just because of your persistent kissing  ;)
Title: Re: Boards
Post by: SerpentSlayer on May 16, 2009, 01:34:32 PM
Ahhh, very observant. *hands Hue a cookie* :-*
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 16, 2009, 04:53:58 PM
He is just jealous he doesn't get to kiss ben arp.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: DaClock on May 16, 2009, 05:09:15 PM
He is just jealous he doesn't get to kiss ben arp.

That privilege is reserved for females only.
Title: Re: Re: Boards
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 16, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
If he dresses in a dress and plays SOvirtue does that count? ;)
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