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  But at it's heart, Redemption is about playing, not collecting.

i will be pleasantly surprised the day cactus will actually make a 100% ORIGINAL, NO REPRINTS, NO OLDER CARDS, NO OLDER PACKS expansion set. it looks like that day may never come.

Sets cost money.  Art costs money.  We are in a recession.  I'd much rather have a set with 1/3 reprinted cards than have a year with no set.

agreed: a set is better than no set. i never debated that issue.

Redemption reuses good art on cards that are underused so that we can have better, usable cards with good art.  I'd rather have an Image of Jealousy with quality art on a shiny card and a usable ability and a brand new class of enhancement than have no new set this year.

no one said anything about artwork. priority-wise, art is rather low down there in favor of new cards, new mechanics, new abilities, etc.

Further, I'd rather have a game that uses packaging options that get old cards into the hands of new players than have to say goodbye to YET ANOTHER favorite TCG.  

'favorite' is subjective. and i like your choice of words...'packaging options'...meaning more. old. cards.

Redemption sets in the second half of 2009: 1
Combined sets for Vs, LotR, Star Trek, Star Wars: 0

3 of those 4 games are discontinued. whats your point here? you're comparing a game still in active circulation against ones that are not. why not compare apples to apples...pokemon, yugioh, world of warcraft, mtg, ufs? go ahead, pick one.

"Lacks creativity" is harsh.  What creative way can you think of to produce a that would be as inexpensive?

'lacks creativity' is constructive criticism. cactus is the seller, i am the buyer...its not my job to do cactus'.

It seems you are quick to judge a situation when you don't know all the details.

awesome...enlighten me!

95% of the runners quit the difficult race, and rather than cheer for one of the few remaining runners who is still moving forward, you complain that he isn't sprinting, or finding a more "creative" way to move more quickly.  

comparing apples to oranges...again. to play devils advocate though, yes, i would commend the runner that used the jetpack to get to the end of the race.

I will be pleasantly surprised the day players can accept a set instead of whining about how it is packaged.  It looks like that day may never come.

this made me laugh the most. the creator/manufacturer/supplier releases a sub-par product, gets a windfall of bad feedback and criticism from its customer base, and somehow this makes us whiners? if you release a product, you open yourself to constructive criticism. maybe instead of being defensive and lashing out at a potential customer, you could simply sit back and be a bit more reflective in what kind of product you're trying to push off on us. i guess i'll just keep 'whining' and keep my money in my pocket.

no one said anything about artwork. priority-wise, art is rather low down there in favor of new cards, new mechanics, new abilities, etc.

'favorite' is subjective. and i like your choice of words...'packaging options'...meaning more. old. cards.

this made me laugh the most. the creator/manufacturer/supplier releases a sub-par product, gets a windfall of bad feedback and criticism from its customer base, and somehow this makes us whiners? if you release a product, you open yourself to constructive criticism. maybe instead of being defensive and lashing out at a potential customer, you could simply sit back and be a bit more reflective in what kind of product you're trying to push off on us. i guess i'll just keep 'whining' and keep my money in my pocket.

Mr. KChief tends to, in my limited experience, give criticism that would be extremely valid if Redemption were a different sort of game. If Redemption had more mainstream aspirations and capabilities, and the desire for higher competition and collectibility, then the things he points out would often be relevant. As it stands, some of them tend to run counter to the direction the game has and "wants to" go.

And Mr. Thteacher, wouldn't that add negative value?

I beg to differ. My local GameStop still carries the Gameboy camera and printer.  

It may mean that Redemption isn't the most lucrative game to collect.

That means not banning cards, and keeping prices relatively low.  This next set is entirely in keeping with that philosophy.

But at it's heart, Redemption is about playing, not collecting.

awesome...enlighten me!The economy is poor.  Christian Bookstores are not in the position to buy tons of product to put on their shelves.  It looked like Cactus would not produce a set this summer (it might have been delayed for 6 months or even a year).  This option provided a way to get a lot of things players wanted (foils, new cards, new class of enhancement, better game balance, new "cultures" to use, etc.) while still being cost effective for Cactus.  It really was this or nothing.  Enlightened?

you're really not telling me anything i didnt know before. its pretty obvious cactus is hurting from the economy and this is their 'cost-efficient' gameplan, to put it.

comparing apples to oranges...again. to play devils advocate though, yes, i would commend the runner that used the jetpack to get to the end of the race.  Who buys the jetpack?  Rob is Cactus.  Cactus is Rob.  Rob probably can't afford a risky investment like a jetpack.  Rob is the one with the business.  What you call "creativity" Rob might know better as "debt creator" or even "business killer."  He's been in the game business for longer than you've been playing games.

...but you have to admit, a jetpack would still be pretty cool.

this made me laugh the most. the creator/manufacturer/supplier releases a sub-par product, gets a windfall of bad feedback and criticism from its customer base, and somehow this makes us whiners? if you release a product, you open yourself to constructive criticism. maybe instead of being defensive and lashing out at a potential customer, you could simply sit back and be a bit more reflective in what kind of product you're trying to push off on us. i guess i'll just keep 'whining' and keep my money in my pocket.First, I am not a creator, manufacturer, nor supplier of the product.  Read under my name over there <--.  I am only a playtester. 

i never said you were. i know who you are. when i say 'you' there, i mean cactus in general.

Second, you have no credibility if you call a set "sub par" before you have seen it. 

again, miscommunication. i never claimed this new set as sub par; it was just a blanket statement pertaining to simple economics...if a company releases a bad product, you'll get bad feedback.


Third, 2 whining players does not = "windfall" (further damging your credibility). 

*see above*

Fourth, I am defending a friend and brother, which is entirely different than defending yourself.  Maybe you like to sit back in reflection when your brother is labeled "uncreative" by someone who is ignorant of the details.  I'd rather defend my friend/brother (though he might not care if I do). 

thats awfully big hearted of you. unfortunately, that means little much of anything in the business world. i see a bad product. i do not like it. i will probably not buy it. 'nuff said.


Fifth, I am not trying to "push off" product on anyone.  Whether the product sells or not makes exactly zero difference to my pocketbook.  What I buy for my playgroup gets sold at my cost.  Thankfully, for the sake of the life of the game I love, this product will fly off the shelves in spite of your whining.

thats awesome, great, good job, give yourself a cookie...and i truly do wish redemption the best...but how this game sells to others has nothing to do with me. just give me my ham sandwich and we'll call it a day.